A Conversation with Andrew D. Basiago about the Hidden History of His Discovery of Life on Mars In this fascinating

this guy says he time traveled using gov. tech to the gettysburg address as a
kid and that he's in one of the only known photos of that event. that's pretty kick ass!

here's a link to that part of the interview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WL1QzCxS34

i think this might be the photo and he's the kid in front with one foot cocked at a 90 degree
angle to his other foot.
gettysburg

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We have been attacked numerous times through our computers, but our techno friends are to good. The bugs are masked in with popular software updates. We were also attacked by thewizardofzin@yahoo.com and we sent the info to a friend in Washington, D.C. It seems he and his department were already aware of both the address and attorney and are also looking into other irregularities. Do these attorneys have nothing better to do?

So ask yourself, why are they attacking if they believe the information to be false? The answer is, because we are closer than they want us to be.

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It is obvious that we have come to a fork in the road with respect to disclosure. Following the path of cow mines left by the likes of RD, KG, DS, RC and the rest of their cohorts is the road we shall avoid. True disclosure will NOT come from these individuals, maybe some pieces here and there, but not what the majority are yearning for. Their movie deal is in jepordy as a second group has reached a movie deal as well. Two opposing movies -- how surprising!?!

We have decided to heed our many assets' warnings and with the aid of our new asset (from a country within a country) has helped us understand what will happen when disclosure is announced, which he believes will be late 2010 to early 2011 unless it is stalled, as has happened three times prior. It will not come from the internet or government leaders as was mentioned in the past, which was only a tool for testing reactions and following the connections, but by the leaders of those who warned us as children of good and evil and truth.

Our asset has informed us that our visitors are becoming impatient and will no longer abide by the agreements signed decades ago. They will make their presence known by many avenues and sightings will increase as the date grows closer. Those that truly know are now under pressure to acclimate the people of this planet with what they had denied for so long.

The process has already begun and cannot be stopped, only delayed. Government leaders will try to hold on to power and will use discs (recovered) as tools to deceive us that all e-races are malevolent (although we feel one, possibly two are indeed the aggressors and caution should be taken). This will work for a short period of time and then will be subdued.

The names mentioned above and their side-kicks are in a dream world to believe they are the chosen ones. Do they not understand others are pulling the strings to make them dance?!! That is why we have taken the other path, as it leads to the puppet masters (we are closing in on the first - over seas).

As we mentioned before, the O'Hare sighting was ours (government). But a new twist was revealed to us. We said two discs were involved, which is correct. They are also artificially/computer controlled, which is correct, but did have personnel on board. These discs did not lose communication with the controllers; they were instructed to hover and then returned to their base in Utah. Those allowing this to proceed, and present in Chicago, were pleased by those at ATS throwing mud into the waters - great job EYEWITNESS or should we say decoy. More tests to come and it's going to be an interesting show!!!

Beware -- more childish games to be played by a small, unnoticed website, which is involved with some odd bed-fellows. No one has all the answers, except a handful and that's why we continue to search and investigate.

Investigating does not involve impersonation, theft, dishonesty, releasing of personal e-mails or hacking. So we are quite amazed how a couple of attention seekers are going to save us all by spouting their fanatsy laced diatribe, once again?!?!?!?!?! Many of these individuals you are about to disclose are old news and no true researcher has believed them in years. So we have to ask: Why bring them up? Is it to connect the dots to their friends and colleagues based on misquotes from e-mails or guilt by association? So they must be involved - great logic there. What you don't know is that many well-known names (some you know and many you don't) are receiving handouts from the blue suits, as well. And where did you get some of your info???

Congratulations boys, you have become the puppet's pets!!! Received any bones recently?!!

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Our warning to you a few months ago still holds true today. Theyare playing mind games once again and are the masters in their domain. Do not be fooled by their "generous" comments, you will only be disappointed by these forked-tongue birds and their lap dog. Both sides are being used, and they sit back to see how far and how long this will continue. We have seen communications that there is another chapter to be played soon. And from what one communication mentioned, RU was the focus of this last round,
but it was interrupted. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, AGAIN !!!!

Many feel, including the new asset, that the group members above know very little themselves and seem to enjoy tormenting those searching for truth. We consider them cowards and manipulators who prey on the innocent minds of others, but the tables are about to turn.

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There are reasons why governments are releasing information to the public, (France, Brazil, México) many have no clue what is truly happening. France is the exception because they held back a few items, and this info came from the horse's mouth to our asset. More countries will follow suit in the future as they have no choice. The big five will delay as they believe they can control the situation, but will fail. This will only hurt the general population in the end and will have serious consequences for those in charge.

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Our committee has agreed to join forces with the overseas asset and his group, and a third group in another country. One has the incredible intel, the other has the financial backing, and we have many assets to contribute.

This tri-group will be headed by someone in another country and he has decided to call himself Ciconia Ciconia. He claims that after following many false leads from dis-info specialists around the world, such as the group OM/RU have been dealing with, that these people know next to nothing and like toying with the minds of researchers.

So he chose the name as a way to mock them, but also as a way to bring a new message of hope.

Our group will no longer release information to your website, it will be done overseas where the media is not controlled by their governments.

We wish to thank the Admin, Jeddyhi and the members for allowing us to share information with you, even as we learned how to play in this arena. Your site has an impressive list of people that are knowledgeable and forthright.

Just be cautious and weary of the group you are dealing with, we know you aren't fools, just they are good at their jobs.

Jake,

Everybody's truth will differ based on their own belief system. All have free will, but only if they use it and there lies the dilemma.

Regarding concerns, is it for mankind ,or for being put on the spot as game players?!! If these individuals truly knew the coming events, the games would have stopped long ago for the sake of mankind. We also had the benefit of seeing ******* where many on both sides have been ridiculed, mocked and laughter has been shared between these individuals over the diversionary tactics and dis-info schemes.

Birds of a feather flock together.

Good luck to all!!!

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There is a silent war taking place in our rank and file. The light is finally awake and fighting back and we are winning.

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Just a side note to Ed****** There is not a "physical" war taking place above our planet. The wars are being played out here on Earth with the followers of both groups. The US is split within these two groups, but the light is starting to break through this fog.

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We wanted to respond to the UN Meeting(s) and clear up a few discrepancies. Yes, it took place but not as it has been reported. The two meetings were mundane at best and Lorant was sacrificed for the greater good. One intriguing discussion was the issue of population control (see above), which reared its ugly head.

Why do they want you to believe that secret meetings took place in a "bug" infested building and it could be kept quiet? This would have been leaked as soon as the first person stepped out into the hallway. Like a magician, look at this hand while the other hides the cards. Think for yourselves.

The meetings were only a prelude compared to the white stork's special delivery of a bombshell. This third meeting took place a few days later and away from the UN building. It involved roughly twenty-five+ people including select ambassadors/representatives, one military contact, two astrophysicists, one special guest, and three individuals from the religion sector.

(Scientists already released Information, so if you can figure out why they have observatories, then you are a third of the way there.) ****Overseas knows the scope of the situation, but not the complete picture, pieces are missing. They have never heard of the "Controllers" or "Conformers," only "Deceivers" as they have encountered them. (see below) Others are here to help.

We can't go into detail of everything that was presented, but they are preparing you for the major announcement with or without the US cooperation. The e-races are considered our brothers due to a genetic link and are helping us complete the second ark just in case. The major governments of the world have delayed this to a point where the e-races have given them an ultimatum, as time is short.

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1. Beware of the cointel agent known as "Source A." You also have two members that are agents as well. They were working, until last month, with an old aviary nuisance.

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A few things you should know is that we are dealing with two different groups. First, malevolent e-races are here to our planet for unthinkable reasons and us. They had been here in our past and returned in the mid-nineteenth century. Second, we are also dealing with the "Deceivers."

They are more or less an entity that can take human form and are pure evil. They have infiltrated governments around the Earth, as well as the MIC. They care only for war and destruction and seem to absorb hate as though it were food (as was explained to us). They want the planet to be ruled by one government (them). They are not working as partners, more as competitors.

Our only protection and salvation is the collective group of peaceful e-races and spiritual entities that have kept these others from taking over and enslaving this world. The e-races supplied us with technology and energy sources to aid us in defending our planet, but our chosen leaders have abused this trust.

They are now seeking out not only individuals but also influential people to spread their messages of peace and compassion. The e-races have had encounters with the spiritual entities and feel that they are the universe's guardians -- the universe is the Supreme Being (alive). They were lead to our planet by the spiritual entities thousands of years ago and were allowed to spark life here. The entities watch over us as a mother would for her child. They only intervene when it is necessary.

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After catching up on sleep and information, we find that we are being accused of jumping on the bandwagon regarding "Source A." Well, let us tell these nay-sayers, armchair quarterbacks and pseudo investigators that we spoke with retired individuals, on our trip, that made a few calls to find out what is happening.

One of them was in charge for his country of all USO encounters and communications. Others had clearances higher than their leaders. Each and everyone of them expressed that these cointel games are being played in America and Europe. They increase as we get closer to the truth. There are various games taking place elsewhere, but due to NS reasons, we will not discuss them at this time.

These retired people took time away from their exhaustive schedules to help Ciconia ciconia and us. They explained exactly what was to happen and why. Just so you Nay-Sayers understand, "Source A" was to string the brothers along for a little while longer and then tell the brothers that he was to meet his successor. After another time period, "A" would mention that he might be able to setup a meeting with the brothers and his successor, this would give him and the other cointel agent time to get their stories in sync and plan how to proceed from this point forward.

Sometime down the road the successor would be introduced to the brothers. All they are doing is leading you away from the real meetings that Lorant mentioned and the other with Ciconia ciconia. Badges and security IDs don't show true intentions. Even though "A" holds a Navy rank as do a few others, it doesn't mean his allegiance is with them. His true rank is with the ABC agency.

And isn't it a coincidence that "A" claims all the other meetings are taking place away from the UN in secure locations after we mentioned this. "A's" original meeting date cannot even be verified, we and others have searched.

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These retired individuals are involved in trying to prevent World War III and prepare us for our visitors. Meetings have been taking place with the top brass from Europe, Russia, Australia, Canada, select SA countries and the US. India has chosen to go solo. These meetings have been occurring all over the globe. In fact, one meeting was leaked and actually made the news, though they guessed wrong on the topic.

There is one large country left out, and it is because of two reasons. 1) They want a larger share of the prize. 2) They were involved in a recent attempt to cause harm to Israel. This country is suffering economically, (which many are not aware of) greater than had been planned.

To honor an oil contract, contaminated rods and boron trioxide sand from a reactor in this particular country was loaded on a ship in lieu of a monetary payment. The ship is owned by Iran, and its destination was off the coast of Israel where explosives would have been detonated, causing a radioactive cloud to pass over the Middle East. This psychological attack would be a wake up call and the start of an unnecessary war. The Iranian ship, as you may know, is currently surrounded by US, French and Russian warships. They are taking their time to prevent an environmental disaster at present.

This country has also produced a man made version of the bird flu virus and tested it in their southern region. Latest reports confirmed by these retired individuals, WHO members and others, have placed those infected at 520K and climbing. There are now two airborne strains. This test occurred eight days prior to the Olympics, and the entire area was cordoned off by the military. To date, an estimated 37k are presumed dead.

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Two of these retired individuals took us on a trip to a remote area overseas. We sat for a while facing the waning moon, then it jumped or appeared to. The moon and stars moved for a brief few seconds. As our eyes adjusted, we were able to see something was there but couldn't make it out completely. Finally we could see that this craft was enormous and was darker than the sky it had replaced seconds earlier.

After three minutes of us standing there with our mouths open and mixed emotions rushing through us and not knowing what to do, it quickly and quietly moved off. No noise. Only then could we see the faint outline of a rounded, triangular craft with sloped sides and a light blue color coming from the rear??? of the craft.

It could have been a cloaked dirigible/blimp, but we have never seen one maneuver like this one had. It was impossible to judge the size accurately due to a lack of reference points. But if we took a wild guess, the length would be close to a mile. ***Personally, it was the most amazing thing I have witnessed besides my daughters' births.***

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HAPPY TO REPORT…

The morning after I watched the third and final Presidential debate, I was quite relieved to get a dream telling me that it was all over. Even with all the dirty tricks that stole the last two elections in place, the overwhelming likelihood is for a substantial defeat of the Neocons. I was told that a factor of 17 may be involved, or something close to it.

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Granted, there is always a remote possibility of a timeline in which McCain and his Neocon cronies can still steal the election, but they are exceedingly small. The vote-tampering process requires a more-or-less evenly divided electorate. That is no longer what we have here.

Plus, even if they did win, there is such incredible opposition that they could not actually take power. We would have a very interesting — (ahem) — situation on our hands, as I have spoken about before.

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No matter what, this election has aroused a great deal of hatred and fear, and my guidance helped me realize that I don’t want to contribute any further to it myself. In the same dream that told me the election was essentially over, I was spending time in person with John and Cindy McCain — and we got along very well.

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LET GO OF THE HATRED

In the truest sense there’s only one of us here — and one of the things I talk about in this two-part audio series is all the people who have written me virulently hateful letters about Obama.

People reading the alternative / conspiracy media like to think they’re on the cutting edge, but hate is hate, and the main reason why we’re here is to learn to love and accept others as they are — regardless of their race, color, creed, religion or sexual orientation. Politics is a key area that keeps dividing us into artificial categories that inhibit our ability to forgive and accept each other.

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PROPAGANDA

The alternative / conspiracy media is filled to the bursting-point with Neocon-authored propaganda. They are a lot smarter than most of us give them credit for. Up until about 6 weeks ago, well over 80 percent of all anti-Obama articles in the alternative media were written by no more than three different authors, and their words just drip with seething hatred.

I watch in awe and amazement at how many smart people have bought into it, not seeing how obvious it is that the Republican side would work the alternative media angle very heavily, given the continuing slippage of their control over the mainstream media.

Remember … if you actively hate ANYONE, regardless of where they’re coming from, you’re not seeing the big picture. Either candidate would have brought changes to our society — and it becomes a question of which changes will be more spiritually beneficial for this world in the remaining four-year sprint to 2012.

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FEAR NOT

It’s time to say something else that really needs to be verbalized as well. Our thoughts make reality, and that will never be clearer to the world than after they have seen CONVERGENCE. I want to pre-empt the message of our film a bit by saying that the real battle we suffer through on this planet is of the frequency of our consciousness.

We are all ‘voters’ every day, whether we know it or not. We vote with our own attitude and emotions for how everyone else in the world is going to feel, act and behave. Our thoughts have far more power than we realize.

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UPDATE SAME DAY: ROTHSCHILDS ALSO BEING EXPOSED

After we went to press, a quick read of the day’s news reveals that even as we’re watching the "controlled demolition of the New World Order," we’re seeing an unprecedented firestorm of conspiracy and scandal erupting around their European rivals, the Rothschilds.

Since this is the first we’ve heard of the scandal, it’s not entirely clear what’s going on. On first blush it appears the Rothschilds were instrumental in soliciting a large (and illegal) 50,000 pound donation to help manipulate the British elections, from a Russian tycoon named Oleg Deripaska.

Now Prime Minister Brown (a likely Rockefeller / NWO ally) has bravely turned against the Rothschilds and is ordering a full investigation into "Yachtgate" — and Nathaniel Rothschild is threatening to ‘destroy’ anyone who tries to stop him.

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Dive in and enjoy the first of two 67-minute conversations with David, recorded Monday night, to help shake off the jitters and get back to a healthy, sane, positive life! HS and college students can look forward to some study tips to help make the approaching finals season a little easier to navigate. There’s a little something for everyone!

The second half will be released early next week, so stay tuned!

You do not have to believe but at least be aware of it.

I really dont care it was wrong today, I am still thankful someone like blossom had the courage to do what she did and it seemed it came from the heart. keep on rockin blosson, F*ck the skep-dicks, please feel free to list the email addresses and IP addresses of the skep-dicks that threatened you and I will be happy to post them on my web site (www.ufotimetravel.com) and tell them to bring it on, skep-dicks are nothing but sh*tty opinions and nothing more, dont let them discourage you and if they cross the line by threatening you, this is when the community should come together and I am here to do my part.

the only speculation/suspicion I have/had was a psychic attack by black ops, if you want to know more go to http://www.alienabductionhelp.com/ and talk to bonnie and she can further expand on psychic attack, your mind must always be on-guard, you mentioned a "new" energy and that is what makes me suspicious of a psychic attack to discredit the UFO community.
Again, keep on rockin and dont sweat it.

"...This is a dangerous time. The wounded lion of the Republican Neoconservative Party — the so-called New World Order — is striking at anything in his path. This is the last chance they have to maintain control.

And despite all the breathless proclamations of doom by those apparently resisting these groups, I do not believe these plans will succeed. The wounded lion is sloppy and careless in his attacks, and his normal element of stealth and surprise is thereby eliminated..."

"...You have the United States and this faction. They've been playing international poker used their oil card...by jacking up the price of oil; but what happened was they jacked it up so far that their revenue from oil actually started to decrease, because people just stopped using oil. So that misfired. So then they tried to jack up the food price; and they jacked up the price of steel and aluminum - everything they controlled, as part of their battle.


And finally, they've got their last card, which is the U.S. military machine. And they're saying, 'Look, if nothing else we'll use this machine full out..." so it's their last bargaining chip."

"...Israel gave serious thought this spring to launching a military strike on Iran’s nuclear sites but was told by President George W Bush that he would not support it and did not expect to revise that view for the rest of his presidency, senior European diplomatic sources have told the Guardian…

Bush’s decision to refuse to offer any support for a strike on Iran appeared to be based on two factors, the sources said. One was US concern over Iran’s likely retaliation, which would probably include a wave of attacks on US military and other personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as on shipping in the Persian Gulf.

The other was US anxiety that Israel would not succeed in disabling Iran’s nuclear facilities in a single assault even with the use of dozens of aircraft. It could not mount a series of attacks over several days without risking full-scale war. So the benefits would not outweigh the costs…

Bush’s refusal to support an attack, and the strong suggestion he would not change his mind, is likely to end speculation that Washington might be preparing an "October surprise" before the US presidential election.

Some analysts have argued that Bush would back an Israeli attack in an effort to help John McCain’s campaign by creating an eve-of-poll security crisis. [emphasis mine]

Others have said that in the case of an Obama victory, the vice-president, Dick Cheney, the main White House hawk, would want to cripple Iran’s nuclear programme in the dying weeks of Bush’s term..."

"...You may have missed this last point, about Israel being betrayed by Bush, because it was only briefly mentioned in the American media. Nonetheless, it confirms the accuracy of the TBRNews.org source we’ve been citing in this article series on multiple fronts, as the Israeli pressure to bomb Iran has been repeatedly discussed there for well over a year now.

Since Israel has extensive blackmail material against the Bush Administration and can very seriously hurt them, the Neo-cons would never pull something like this unless they had an even GREATER fear of the American public than of betraying the Israelis.

Stop and think. If you’re afraid of these guys right now you’re buying right into their plans, and you’re not grasping the truth. We are watching the "controlled demolition" of the New World Order in progress. I believe it will occur with a lot less pain than most people believe, overall...

...It is utterly amazing that you are reading these words — as they appeared from directly within the mainstream media! They openly discuss "October Surprise" plans to steal the election for McCain by provoking a war. No one used to talk like this in the media before.

Once you get to the point where your typical plans are being openly discussed in the media, you are far less likely to ever get such dirty tricks to work again — there is simply no way to fool the people anymore.

The truth is exploding out. They must release it, because if there is any truth to the insider disclosures about Russia capturing these documents, the whole story is about to break open anyway.

They may very well have to allow the election to go to its rightful winner, which will very likely be Obama, as any attempt to rig the election will lead to their immediate downfall anyhow..."

Alex talks with Michael about the ancient control structure that is behind the chaos being seen in the modern world. Michael also discusses what real spirituality looks like as opposed to what is perceived to be spiritual in the mainstream world

A blockbuster of a two hour phone conversation with David Wilcock, focusing on immediate current events but spanning time travel, the Freemasons, the Anunnaki, the Nazis, WW II, advanced technology, the Roswell crash, the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the war in Georgia, the coming US election, Benjamin Fulford's testimony, and what may or may not happen in the coming few weeks and months.

This audio blog is far more than just David and Larry talking about Wanderer Awakening. We go through a wide variety of subjects, including an update about the Georgia-Russia conflict and the insider predictions of chaotic changes in the US economy and political spectrum prior to the election.

2008 Mar 25:- 'SETH' HANIEL INTERVIEW/BY 'SWEEPS'...Deja Vu, UFO's, Out of Body experiences, Abductions,'Mystic Poetry', Ancient Egypt, & Synchinosities. 'Sweeps' also condemns the Irish Gov't....M3 roadway-'Save The Hill Of Tara'/Squeak. A great Show-one to remember click here to listen

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January 28, 2008

Open Letter To the UFO Community and Other Concerned Citizens

Fellow citizens of Earth,

In sharing with you this critically important letter, I am reminded of the opening words of Charles Dickens’s classic A Tale of Two Cities: “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

This letter brings you news of great hope for Earth. Yet it also contains sobering and disquieting revelations. Both the good news and the bad news are important for you to have.

This Open Letter will address five subjects: 1) Star Nations and the Councillor of Earth; 2) the Mission of the12 Scientists From Altimar Coming To Earth This Year; 3) the Cabal’s (global cartel of the ultra-rich and powerful) Plans To Demonize Visiting Star Persons; 4) the Cabal’s Secret Antigravity Fleet And Star Wars Weaponry; and 5) two articles which describe the Cabal and their plans.

Because all of the events described here are expected to occur in 2008, you need this information now as a responsible citizen equipped to take part in shaping your future.

The Cabal’s (Shadow Government/NWO) Plans To Demonize Visiting Star Persons

At a press conference given in Washington, DC at the National Press Club May 9, 2001, Dr. Carol Rosin, who had been the first woman corporate manager of an aerospace company (Fairchild Industries), told the assembled press about a warning given her by her boss, Dr. Wernher von Braun in 1974.

Von Braun revealed that dark powerful forces controlling world wealth and political power had over a third of a century ago planned to create a future fake “extraterrestrial invasion” to acquire total global control. (Meanwhile this global plutocratic cartel has maintained the UFO Cover-Up as a cover, while they prepare for their “Great Day”.)

Dr. Rosen said, “What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again during the approximately four years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics. That was how we identify an enemy. The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that first the Russians are going to be considered to be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us and control us - that they were "Commies".

“Then terrorists would be identified, and that was soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we were going to identify third-world country crazies. We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based weapons. The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids- against asteroids we are going to build space-based weapons.

“And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final scare. And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last card. And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We are going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens, and all of it is a lie.

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The Cabal is that shadowy global plutocratic cartel bent on world domination. Its leadership is not stupid. They plan carefully. In the present context of increasingly abundant open flights of Star Visitor craft over populated areas, the Cabal have devised special measures that they believe will sell the public on the “reality” of the “alien invasion” the Cabal have planned.

One element is the Cabal’s secret development of antigravity craft back-engineered from Star Visitor craft that Cabal military stooges had shot down. (More about those craft in the next section.) This high-performance advanced-technology fleet is expected to fool the viewing public into thinking that they are extraterrestrial UFOs. (For instance, the huge “UFO” seen January 8 this year over Stephenville, Texas and chased by F-16 fighters, as reported on CNN, Fox News, Larry King, and other media, was actually a Cabal antigravity craft, warming up the public for the false “alien invasion” which the Cabal plan to stage later this year.)

Furthermore, these Cabal craft have technology aboard their craft which can project 3-D, solid-seeming holographic images in the sky to create realistic sky-battle scenes. In order to further terrify people, the Cabal plan to use the advanced Star-Wars-program energy weapons these false “UFOs” carry on board in order to shoot at Humans on the ground, killing thousands, and convincing people that “aliens are bad, and are on the attack.”

Remote-viewing reveals that the Cabal have, as an additional information-management tool, recruited three noted UFO investigators to act as spokespersons during their fabricated “Star Wars”. This part of the plan was reported by a woman who is a potent psychic, was a Star Being in a previous lifetime before incarnating as a Human this lifetime, and is a respected close associate. Her name is Fran, and she lives in the U.S. Southeast. She remote-viewed a contemporary scene involving those three UFO investigators. Fran shares the following information obtained from that riveting remote-viewing session.

These three persons were observed consulting in an out-of-the-way building's windowless room about the Grand Story that the Cabal plan to launch in the not-too-distant future. That Grand Story would be that which Dr. Wernher Van Braun had warned Dr. Carol Rosin about in 1974. Fran identified that the two men and woman who would help front this Alien Invasion story were UFO investigators Steven Greer, MD, Michael Salla, Ph.D. and Linda Moulton Howe. The "Grand Story" which these three were secretly discussing would unfold thus.

First, Cabal-controlled scientists and/or government officials would proclaim alarming new evidence of an imminent Alien Invasion. Greer would react on cue to this new information and “admit” that he has “been wrong all along about the aliens being good,” and now “realizes” they are evil. Salla, who has said all along that "there are aliens who are evil" would say essentially, "I told you so." Moulton-Howe, who specialized earlier in her UFO career generating reports attributing cattle mutilations to “aliens”, would declare that she is “not surprised” that the aliens "would kill Humans next".

The Cabal would launch fake alien attacks, featuring Cabal antigravity craft designed to look like classic UFOs, and armed with Star-Wars energy weapons. These would annihilate swaths of the population, mostly in areas of the Third World, thus achieving the Cabal desire to thin "undesirable" (to the Cabal elite) populations, but with token attacks in the developed countries as well, to maintain “global-attack” credibility. The Cabal-controlled world governments would declare global martial law, and the creation of a global authority to address the “menace”.

The Cabal-controlled world leadership would then unveil antigravity fighter craft (held in secret for such an eventuality) and order counter-attacks, using their antigravity craft to engage in shooting the Enemy Invaders out of the sky. Since the real Star Nations ships would not be a party to this madness, the Cabal would simply have sent up drone antigravity craft to dart about and project convincing 3-D “solid” holographic images of sky warfare featuring these “Alien Invaders”, which would dutifully begin to get shot down.

A grateful world would meanwhile accept the Cabal-controlled government leaders' demand for a unified global government, and to allow them to assume unlimited power in order to fight “the alien invaders”.

The accuracy of Fran’s remote-viewing of the above planning has been confirmed by Star Nations representatives.

...

Are large numbers of Humans therefore doomed under an onslaught from these seemingly-invincible Cabal advanced antigravity craft masquerading as “alien invaders”? Not so.

Star Nations spokesperson, Councillor For the Watchers stated on November 5, 2007 (personal communication) that the staged “alien invasion” and resultant bloodbath, reportedly to be fronted by Greer, Salla and Howe, will not happen. The Councillor says, “We would never let countless Humans die in such an event because we love them too much to allow that. We do intervene in Human affairs when the stakes are high – a false-flag “invasion” meets that criterion.”

This Open Letter has touched on several very important areas: the links between Star Nations and Earth that have now begun with the appointment of an official representative; one star race’s decision to send a dozen “Peace Corps” environmental scientists to Earth in 2008; the Cabal’s plans to thwart any Star Visitors public presence by staging a preemptive fake “alien invasion”; and the secret advanced antigravity craft and weapons which the Cabal has available to accomplish their simulated “alien invasion” Star Wars sky battles and ground attacks.

Added: July 29, 2008 (Less info)
Please do not be worried about the situations in the world. This will all be stopped. The wars, the corrupt people everywhere, this dirty society that is raising this young generation, and every other problem. The planet will be cleaned up very soon. As soon as Iran is attacked, a global nuclear war will begin, but we will stop it as soon as it begins. This is the beginning of your lives and we will now move forward.

Messages From The Heart – July 2008

I George Kavassilas feel the need to clear the air in regards to statements I made in my DVD of the lecture at the Eternal Spirit in July 2004.

The Galactic Council of Light or Spiritual Hierarchy of which I am a part of is not the same as a group calling themselves the galactic federation of light.

You see the negative forces duplicate the true Hierarchy of Creation in order to deceive planetary populations. The more closely they can align themselves with the true Hierarchy the harder it is for planetary populations to discern, and therefore the easier it is for them to deceive.

This imposter group are currently imposing themselves on this planet by stealth and is fooling most of the ruling elite and governing bodies. They are using a particular faction within their empire, who is proficient at technology, genetic manipulation and mind control.

The mid to higher levels of the empire will soon appear, rid the planet of this other faction and look like the good guys. They are the ones soon to be our so called saviours at a time of crisis, which is in the process of being orchestrated by them and will come into fruition over the next fear years, and yes they have their own version of the spiritual hierarchy including a Christ entity and all other major religious figures.

I know this because at times I too have been manipulated by them and my comments about boarding the ships at a time of crisis and the being lord sananda was one such time.

There will be a promise of ascension, their version of ascension, and relative to the despair that they wish to manifest globally, many will take to it like a young child takes to candy.

...

The connection one has in the false realm is on a mental level and communication occurs using a form of telepathy that stimulates and strokes the central nervous system giving the unsuspecting or in-experienced person the feeling of a benevolent presence and euphoria. This is what it feels like to be connected to an artificial intelligence posing as benevolence.

In contrast when a Being is connected to the pure clean Universal Consciousness all communication takes place beyond the mind. It becomes a resonance that emanates from the central core of your Being and permeates throughout the body. When Love and Knowledge are exchanged the complete understanding is conveyed including feelings and the ongoing ripple effect to all life as far as your Being wishes or requires to comprehend, and it all happens in an instant.

...

The following is most of what I remember about our path towards ascension.

The Divine Mother will open at the appropriate time dimensional doorways all over her planetary body allowing those with ‘eyes to see and ears to hear’ to walk through into sanctuary. These doorways or openings are symbolized by the Vesica-Piscis, there are a multitude of pictures through the ages showing Christ standing in or walking throughout the Vesica-Piscis doorway and is also the Fish of Christianity.

...

You see any energy, consciousness or Beings that wish to control this reality must first control the consciousness and energy that is this planet and reality. This planet being an aspect of our Divine Mother is why the feminine energies have been oppressed over the last few thousand years. Control the feminine, control the planet.

It is also imperative to understand that this abuse, oppression and control is only occurring because Mother Earth is allowing it. You see, she has courageously offered herself and sacrificed herself and well being in order to facilitate our ascension. A Mothers’ Unconditional Love.

I adamantly assure you that in order to ascend one must first re-align and rebalance with the Divine Feminine. It is important to remember that we are ascending not separate from, but with our Divine Mother Earth. Yes the planet is ascending and she is carrying us all in her womb and is giving birth to a whole new version of Humanity.

...

Once we return to the sanctuary of the 5th Dimension, we will be safe from the cleansing process of the lower planetary dimensions and will also be re-united with our brothers and sisters in the light, including loved ones who have passed over and are eagerly awaiting to greet us and provide assistance for our re-adjustment to the 5th Dimension.
After inner peace is re-established and all celebrations have subsided preparations will then begin for our ascension into the Golden Age.

Love, Liberation & Fortitude

George Kavassilas

State of the Planet
The Project Camelot Blog

____________________________

29 July

• This almost unbelievable announcement has been posted by Clark McClelland, a retired NASA Space Flight Controller and good friend of John Lear, on his website in support of the recent public statements by his good friend Dr Edgar Mitchell. Clark has broken the news that while on duty at the Kennedy Space Center he observed, for over a minute on a TV monitor, an 8 or 9 foot tall alien in the Space Shuttle Loading Bay when it was on a military mission.

• Kerry has just got off the phone with Richard Hoagland. On Coast to Coast AM, the first hour this evening, there is an excellent chance that Richard will be discussing this... and another news item which may be of even greater significance, connected with what he very seriously believes is the imminent possibility of a false flag "alien invasion".

]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=341 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:05:35 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=340 ]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=340 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:07:57 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=339 This information was given in a thread called "My client requested that I post this link on this site"

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread374889/pg1



Apperently this could be real, there was a murder recently with nasa scientists...

"This NASA scientist was murdered along with three other people, relatives of his wife, who knew one of the two killers. They were beaten and stabbed to death, and the killers started the fire to cover up the murders. The only aliens involved might be illegal ones!"

NASA Engineer Among Four Dead In Quartz Hill Fire

"One of the deceased was confirmed to be Joseph Paul Ciganek, said Assistant Coroner Chief Ed Winter. He was identified as a NASA engineer who lived at the home.

Ciganek worked at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center as a management systems analyst specializing in electronic test systems, said NASA spokesman Alan Brown. Dryden is located on Edwards Air Force Base.
"]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=339 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:43:31 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=338

Dr. Ed Mitchell - 77 - NASA commander of Apollo 14
watch the video in article front page news now right now

Daily telegraph ok not some fruitcake site

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24074041-5001021,00.html
my own best source went public now,
I interviewed Ed Mitchell in May 2001

download PDF article here (in case link to article dies)

thats just one of these weird synchronicities...
ok

Here Dr Ed Mitchell Apollo 14
backing up his own statements to me

http://light-seeds.com/Ancient.html
see video bottom right of new page

good timing worldwide Leo sun
seems we decided to go public now.

]]> Research http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=338 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:08:21 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=337

Accurate & more valuable information was posted about a subsequent audio conversation between Project Camelot source Deacon and St.Clair
http://Light-Seeds.com/Deacon.pdf

See What's New page at: Light-Seeds.com

]]> Time Travel http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=337 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:59:28 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=336
ahem, ahem]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=336 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:32:55 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=335
Mount Adams Statement: 2012 & A Golden Age



SOURCE VIDEO

Brought to you by the good folks at Exopolitics.com (You guys can rock on too!! haha)]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=335 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:52:06 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=334
Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and JFK, what do they have in common?]]> Conspiracy http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=334 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:48:31 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=333
"This July 17th on the Full Moon of the Guru something extraordinary is happening - Grace Light will be transmitted to everyone in the world."


July 17th Full Moon: Something Extraordinary Happening


July 2nd & 17th: Receive and Transmit Grace Light


What Will Grace Light Do?


Grace Light Meditation for July 17th


How to do the meditation..very important!

spread to this to allot of people so they know!

On July 17, 2008 welcome this light into your life!

On the last video he explains on how to make contact with the light in a very spiritual way...

He said that on july 17, at the time in your time zone when, get into a meditative state

light a candle, and light some incense sticks (preferably honeysuckle type), and make a glass of water with sea salt in it, and then put those items on a small alter in front of where you will meditate...sit down and just relax and try to visualize and meditate about the grace light coming into you, at the time in your time zone

New York....11:00pm on the 17th

Californian...8:00pm on the 17th

London....4am on the 18th

India...8:30am on the 18th

here is a good timezone converter...i already had it set on new York time

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_US-NY.aspx


]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=333 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:21:33 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=332
These could be the areas that Renato spoke of so long ago...ie 2006 lool

http://helloearth.info/michaelconnection/listen/transcriptionhour47.html

Michael connection hour 47]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=332 Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:01:50 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=331

Cloned Super Warriors Part 1 of 5

]]> Conspiracy http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=331 Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:09:37 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=330

Hi there!


Please would you help us compile research into how society and individuals would react under the extraordinary circumstances of 'Disclosure'. we had a tremendous response from our members to the recent 'How many OM members have seen a UFO' - Kudos everyone! Now let's take this one step further...

OK - Let's assume Disclosure Day is upon us!

UFO sightings have gone through the roof over the last 18 months - we saw the wave begin right here on OMF, with the 'SERPO' disclosures leading the way to new paradigms and thinking 'out of the box'. Since then, UFO reports and Disclosure initiatives have snowballed to the incredible and most significant 'show' and rise in profile wrt UFO awareness / consciousness in Human history - never before witnessed.

UFO's are at an all-time 'high' in the MS media:

Only a few days ago - a major report from the UK. Police heli-pilots involved (and presumably visually recorded!) in a 'near miss' with a UFO. - Click for - BBC REPORT.

OMF predicted these kind of events over a year ago - based on the 'significant' wheat extracted from the 'plausible deniable 'chaff' coming from our various and highly credible International sources / intel networks / consultants.

Undoubtedly we really ARE witnessing major Disclosure related events leading to 'D-Day' - the undeniable proof of a well planned and thousands of years old co-ordinated final 'Show'. The biggest leap in Human evolution - since our genes were originally programmed by our Handlers / Creators.

But will we be emerging from our terrestrial / material consciousness to face a Wonderful and Prosperous new dawn for Earth? Or entering our worst nightmare?

Can we handle the 'Truth'? Are we ready? Are YOU?!

What would you do? How would you react?

Try and think clearly about what you would do - if your answer does not appear above - what is your answer?

You can vote for up to 4 options.

(Please DO post this poll/link to as many 'like-minded' people/websites as you know - let's try and get as many people to vote as possible - that way we can compile perhaps the largest database / response / poll ever conducted. 8-) )

Open Minds Forum Disclosure Poll
Bill "the Doctor"]]> Research http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=330 Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:06:52 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=329

http://projectcamelot.net/michael_st_clair.html
After the initial success of our Futuretalk with David Wilcock, we decided to continue our Futuretalks as a series of conversations - not interviews - with people who have something important to say.

A Futuretalk with Michael St Clair seemed to be an excellent next step. Michael, as those of you will know who are already familiar with our first interview with him at Chillion Castle in Switzerland, is a fascinating futurist and metaphysician as well as a famed astrologer.

Michael has been thinking about the future in a multitude of ways for many years, has written several important and well-received books, and recently has re-entered the world of banking to advise private clients with an eye to the coming changes in world economies and ways of doing business.

We cover the whole range from safe spaces (which Michael prefers to call radiant zones), to what might be happening and what one should consider preparing for in the future, coming bank failures, possible geopolitical events that could change our lives, and other concerns.

Michael has spent several years viewing the scenarios - both positive and negative - that one might need to consider in the years ahead. He shares his thoughts and his own personal vision, as well as some key points that everyone should keep in mind in the coming days.

To contact Bill Ryan or Kerry Cassidy, please e-mail us at support@projectcamelot.org.

Part 1


Part 2
]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=329 Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:45:09 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=328
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOuA_CSeeus



At 40 sec in he says this:


"I receive telepathic messages and dreams and visions from these space beings. And they tell me that they are preparing to intervene into the affairs of the world, and let themselves be seen. They've explained to me how they are going to do it. They are going to do fly byes in major cities. And let ufo tv news film them.Also after they get started with appearing like that they are going to start landing on American soil!"


]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=328 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:54:07 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=327 http://www.atsdeck.com/.
BS]]> Conspiracy http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=327 Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:23:06 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=326
this video shows something that could come to effect all of us, including this site! How will people get their information, the internet will it be controlled?



http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality

"06/01/2008 - Every significant Internet provider around the globe is currently in talks with access and content providers to transform the internet into a television-like medium: no more freedom, you pay for a small commercial package of sites you can visit and you'll have to pay for seperate subscriptions for every site that's not in the package.

Almost all smaller websites/services will disappear over time and multinationals who are used to using big budgets to brute force their content into every media outlet will finally be able to approach the internet in the same way. "]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=326 Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:02:21 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=325
Below is the link to the album, there is one or two pics mixed in there from australia, an interesting plaque welcoming time travelers and even has the coords!
http://www.ufotimetravel.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=287]]> Images http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=325 Sat, 31 May 2008 19:05:43 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=321 Here is the video and below the document in jpg format

Part 2

The Document below is in jpg format, it is what I submitted to the US patent office for a provisional patent which ran out and now I am giving the ideas away!

PDF Format


I realize in the document below I made a mistake which is that I call a component a "diode" where it should be called a "capacitor" but hey, i am not a scientist I am just a free thinker!

My Free Energy Invention (totally green) - Upload a doc

Read this doc on Scribd: My Free Energy Invention (totally green)

]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=321 Thu, 29 May 2008 01:10:00 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=324 The UFO & Paranormal Show featuring THX1138 and I will be a guest tonight.

Here is a message from THX:

Hey guys!

Show tonight, I hope you all can make it. Tonight we will be discussing e-mailed experiences, Renato's energy machine, more evidence of time travelers, the mahabharata, and more! please tune in and give your input and feedback, Thanks!

THX

]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=324 Wed, 28 May 2008 19:37:28 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=323
It might also be 1.267925.....hhhmmm]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=323 Fri, 23 May 2008 00:03:12 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=322 found here.
I post this article because I believe reverse aging ties into my sperm theory.

Sens works to repair and reverse the damage of aging so that we don’t become feeble and break down as we age, and live on indefinitely. This is the biggest cause humanity has ever embarked on. Its been on the bbc, Colbert Report, Barbara Walters Special, the Alex Jones show, TED talks and many more. These cause boxes are an amazing way to show your support so if you do then please do join this right away.
'SENS (Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence)'!

Join the SENS cause and get a badge for your profile showing your support.

]]> Research http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=322 Thu, 22 May 2008 11:11:28 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=320 If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?" thread) a hoax if this was the reason for banning me.

Over the sixteen months of the thread's existence at ATS, at no time was it ever closed or suspended and labeled a hoax. There are many times that there were vehement detractors from both regular member, as well as moderators, but at no time was the story/thread labeled a hoax.

As of today, Tuesday, May 20, the thread has not been labeled a hoax,

notahoax

Now, two days after my being banned for a still as yet undetermined reason, the thread is still open, not labeled a hoax, and is still seeing posts being made. Another individual even volunteered after I was banned.

If, however, our thread mysteriously becomes labeled a "hoax" after I post this article, I've at least saved the above screenshot (which, admittedly only shows up to about 7:00pm on the 19th), as well as a .pdf file of the entire "Recently Discussed Topics" page from the "Skunk Works" section from today, May 20, linked here.

To go a step further, a member at ATS, cindymars, actually addressed my banning in a discussion thread about ATS "issues" entitled, "The ATS Issues Thread". The thread was created by the Administrators of ATS (as shown by the Original Poster's ID tag "Topic started on 6-5-2008 @ 11:29 AM by AboveTopSecret.com") to address any concerns members had with how the site was managed.

cindymars asks the following (bottom of page 9),

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 12:42 PM by cindymars

I am a bit afraid to ask this question but why was onthedeck banned. I did not take part of the thread he started but enjoyed reading it and spoke with him thru private emails. I sent him a U2U he never recieved?

He was always polite and nice. Sorry I am new here but I do not get it. It feels very unfair to me.

cindymars

LINK TO SOURCE PAGE

LINK TO "ATS ISSUES" THREAD PAGE 9 (.PDF)

In response to cindymars' question, SkepticOverlord (AKA Bill Irvine, Chief Executive Officer AboveTopSecret.com) explains the following (page 10),

Originally posted by cindymars
I am a bit afraid to ask this question but why was onthedeck banned.

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 01:33 PM by SkepticOverlord
We typically don't discuss the reasons for a member's banning, unless there is very-good reason to do so.

Sorry.

Another member, Conspiracy Theorist, asks what reasons may exist that would warrant discussing a member's banning, to which SkepticOverlord responds,

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Can you elaborate on what the very good reasons would be?

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:05 PM by SkepticOverlord
1) Someone who's constantly posting disruptive 1-liners or off-topic posts in threads, even after being asked not to. It's not really a T&C violation, but it's a disruptive tactic.

2) Someone for whom we get an inordinate amount of member complaints, but perhaps each complaint is "borderline." This requires an unfair situation where our staff is so occupied with this particular member, the rest of the site doesn't get the appropriate attention.

3) Someone who is repeatedly posting intense ATS criticism, even after their posts have been addressed.

Originally posted by endrun
What about the folks over at A.K. who say they were banned for no violations, and never received a warning or a notice that they had been banned?

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:05 PM by SkepticOverlord
I guarantee you that everyone knows why they've been banned. If they say they don't know, they're either trying to deceive people, or not being honest with themselves.

Except that I am left guessing as to why I was banned, as no warnings or explanation was provided.

Member, Conspiracy Theorist, asks for clarification as to why a member's banning might not be discussed (page 10),

...

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
So are you saying in this reply:

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:05 PM by SkepticOverlord
1) Someone who's constantly posting disruptive 1-liners or off-topic posts in threads, even after being asked not to. It's not really a T&C violation, but it's a disruptive tactic.

2) Someone for whom we get an inordinate amount of member complaints, but perhaps each complaint is "borderline." This requires an unfair situation where our staff is so occupied with this particular member, the rest of the site doesn't get the appropriate attention.

3) Someone who is repeatedly posting intense ATS criticism, even after their posts have been addressed.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
That it is only in these situations that a members banning will be discussed in public?

I hope I dont come across as annoying, just like to be clear and thorough.

CT

...

reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:26 PM by SkepticOverlord
Oh... I assumed you were referencing the giant-post.

No... not the same then.

The reasons for being forthright about the banning of a member would include:

1) If there was a "public outcry" for the banning of a particularly disruptive member. In these cases, the reason is usually clear, but we inform as to the timing.

2) If a member was found to be hoaxing the board, we'd inform everyone as to the nature of the hoax.

3) If a member was inappropriately engaged in some other activity that was deceptive to members.

Those are but a few examples.

Emphasis mine.

SOURCE PAGE LINK

skeptic1

skeptic2

skeptic3

LINK TO SOURCE PAGE

LINK TO "ATS ISSUES" THREAD PAGE 10 (.PDF)

My banning has not been openly discussed by the mods or admins at ATS, nor have I received any indication as to why I was banned. Fortunately for timedrifter, however, is the fact that SkepticOverlod did list items that, according to ATS, do not apply to timedrifter, or the thread that was created on his behalf. Namely, the following,

...
reply posted on 19-5-2008 @ 02:26 PM by SkepticOverlord

2) If a member was found to be hoaxing the board, we'd inform everyone as to the nature of the hoax.

3) If a member was inappropriately engaged in some other activity that was deceptive to members.

The reason I felt it important to notate this exchange, and the status of the thread at ATS is that I hope these things, along with everything else that timedrifter and I have offered with regard to his story, might provide further support for the fact that, although far out, timedrifter's experiences may be authentic; or at the very least, worthy of more more consideration.

And this, despite our being banned, makes it all worth while.

The story continues...

UPDATE: I've just been forwarded a link to a website that is discussing John Lear's banning from AboveTopSecret.com.

John Lear was apparently also banned from AboveTopSecret.com in January 2008, without warning, and without good cause, according to him. John says that the reason he was provided (i.e., that Lear fabricated some statements) by SkepticOverlord (AKA Bill Irvine) for his banning was misapplied to him, and that another member was responsible for the statements/comments in question.

Included at that site are messages and correspondences provided by John Lear himself about his banning, statements from Lear about his frustration at what he says is duplicitous behavior on the behalf of ATS's management (primarily, "Springer" AKA Mark Allin and "Skeptic Overlord" AKA Bill Irvine), as well as posts/messages quoted from the site; some of which have been removed from ATS(?).

Here is an excerpt from a letter John Lear wrote in response to his being banned in January of 2008,

February 07, 2008

Letter from John about recent events at ATS (AboveTopSecret.com)

To all my friends at ATS:

All I want is for you to know the truth about what happened Monday, January 28, 2008 to cause my being banned at ATS.

Both Springer (Mark Allin) and Skeptic Overlord (Bill Irvine) who have both been my good friends for more than a year have been much, much less than truthful about what happened that day and why.

They have been much, much less than truthful in other comments they have made about me in their posts over the past few days.

No, I didn't voluntarily resign as Conspiracy Master at ATS. And Springer is less than truthful when he says "it was completely his choice and his choice alone." And no I didn't speak or email or contact Mark in any way after January 28.

There is speculation that I got tired of all the insults and that’s why I left ATS. Nonsense.

First, the insults didn't bother me, and second, I never left ATS. It's just that I can't post or send or receive U2's anymore. But I'm still there. Everyday.

If Mark and Bill are not more forthcoming about why I was banned on the morning of January 28, 2008 (Springer calls it "drama", I call it "truth") then I will post all the emails that Bill sent to me and that I sent to Bill that day. And you can make up your own mind whether or not my banning from ATS was fair or why it even happened...

SOURCE ARTICLE

In an article at this same site entitled, "The ATS Saga Continues," John Lear writes about his discovery that he had been banned (I can relate ahah),

...

I woke up early Monday morning January 28, 2008 and found that I could not post on ATS. I then checked my U2's and found the following post from Bill Irvine. It concerned my post on page 10 of the " Michael Horns Billy Meier [HOAX] photos from C2C tonight"...

LINK TO "THE ATS SAGA CONTINUES" ARTICLE ON JOHN LEAR

LINK TO ANOTHER ARTICLE, "WHAT HAPPENED TO JOHN LEAR? CONSPIRACY??"

I've read a lot of Lear's posts at ATS, and although his statements have been controversial, he has, as far as I can tell, been forthright and honest. John has also provided ATS with a lot of evidence in the form of photographs and credible witness statements confirming John's background. Springer was himself responsible for posting evidence John provided him.

So why after so much time, and with the administrators of the site on his side, would John be banned without warning, and for a reason that it was determined didn't even apply to him? Why such dismissive treatment of one of the most credible and informed members of ATS; for such a valuable resource such as Lear?

There were comments made at the above link that John Lear, as well as another previous member of ATS, attempted to use their popularity to garner support from ATS members and to "hold the site captive,"...or wording to this effect. This is a possibility, but it all really makes one wonder what takes precedence at ATS.

I understand that John is still friends with the administrators at ATS, and I certainly don't feel any ill will. But, it seems, both of us (as well as a great number of other ex-members) feel that there is a lack of equity, uniformity and forthrightness in the treatment members are receiving there. Our firsthand experience proves this.






]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=320 Tue, 20 May 2008 08:09:50 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=318
It didn't take long for me to realize that I had been banned.

Although the reason I was banned has not been explicitly stated, either in a private message to me, or as a post in the most current thread, another moderator suggested it was because I was posting messages from timedrifter, himself a banned member.

I mentioned in one of my last posts, under the User Name "atsdeck," that I had been posting answers from timedrifter to members in the thread for a while now since he was originally banned (almost a year prior), without receiving any warnings from mods or admins. This is primarily why it was such a shock to me.

Regardless of the reason I was banned, I have been an active, supportive and prolific member of ATS for almost three years. To be a member of a community for this long, and to be banned without warning - and with no reason given - should send a clear message to anyone considering joining this community, or similar communities in the future. That's some way to reward someone who proved to be a pretty committed member. Not that I'm losing sleep over it...

The thread in question was one I created on January 23, 2007, entitled, "If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?" I created the thread on a lark, so folks could ask timedrifter questions about our future/past that he might be able to answer from his experiences. I also thought the thread might help him jog his memory some more.

The thread, quite unexpectedly, took off and took on a life of its own. The questions from members (and posts from detractors) quickly grew the thread, and I found myself (and timedrifter, himself) putting a lot of time and energy into the thread. It was a task responding to the more vitriolic skeptics of timedrifter's story, but I think we presented our case well, and as a result won over a lot of readers; even thought this wasn't necessarily the intent.

That thread has been running strong for sixteen months - almost a year and a half(!) from the day it started. And as of today, May 18, 2008, it ranks number three in the "Skunk Works" section with 2,268 Replies; and ranks number four with 66,177 Views. We’re also probably number six or seven with the number of flags.

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Now that timedrifter and I have been banned from both AboveTopSecret.com and GodlikeProductions.com, we are going to have to find somewhere else to share our experiences and post our findings.

Given both of our experiences at the above two sites, I'd say that's a good thing. Given the newness of conspiracy/paranormal message boards, and the direction that two of the majors (and plenty of the minors) have taken, it's clear that we're a ways away from fully realizing the potential of this new medium of idea exchange.

The Internet is our door to unadulterated, accurate and totally free information and truth. What we have is a good start, but we're not quite there yet.

Hopefully, we will begin to see more of these types of sites that are able to meet the technical and managerial demands of this venture, without sacrificing content, and without jeopardizing, obstructing, or mishandling the free exchange that we desire take place.

ATS and GLP (as well as this site, Project Camelot, Project Prove, the other sites linked here, and many more) are showing us a glimpse of what is to come; but I'm confident that where we are headed is going to be so much more. Guess you gotta start somewhere.

As for ATS, I really enjoyed meeting the folks I've met through that site. There is a great community, and that's what it's all about. We are galvanizing each other; encouraging each other. And this is having a very real affect.

I'm glad that I was at least able to post some closing comments in the question thread at ATS. I would have hated for it to just "end" without some sort of goodbye. After so much time, I thought that everyone who followed along deserved at least that much.

Just wanted to make a post and say goodbye to ATS for a while. I was a very active member at ATS since I signed up in, I think, 2005 (Can't access my stats now, so I'm guessing...). And it's where timedrifter and I first hooked up. It's where I met all of the cool souls that I continue to keep up with on this paranormal/planetary stuff.

So, to all of the folks who read/followed along at ATS, you're all fantastic. Even the mods who will go unnamed. ahah

Never forget what this is all about.

So long, ATS. See you all on the other side...

Or until...You know...I post another article...

Peace,
atsdeck (AKA OnTheDeck)]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=318 Sun, 18 May 2008 11:28:01 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=319
Now what is important here and the conspiracy for the site itself is that people go to this site as a platform to tell their story or experience and the moderators turn around and ban people and they are hypocrites because the skunk works sections is purely speculative or stuff that can not be proven, but to me all the other sections is like one huge skunk works section , The thread was started in the UFO and Alien section and moved over to the skunk works section by the bitch ass moderators there, once this question is addressed at the site they erase the post and ban the members.

At this point I am becoming more convinced abovetopsecret.com is an information collecting agency that turns around and tries to discredit any whistle blower to maintain the secrets and control, if that is not the case and they are a bunch of little bitches on power trips going around judging people on the fly, then perhaps they are just a bunch of scumbag moderators that are creating bad karma for themselves.

I just wanted to make sure people are aware to beware of abovetopsecret.com and if you experienced any similar short comings at the site please share them with us, we already have credible sources such as John Lear telling the same type experiences and if you browse the anonymous posts it is usually someone that was banned for no reason telling them to go......................

I must commend ONTHEDECK for his wisdom, I was angry and reacted and meanwhile he was patient.

But the moderators at that site are committing what is considered the ultimate crime in the future, BLOCKING, and they will be brought to justice!!]]> Conspiracy http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=319 Sun, 18 May 2008 11:11:00 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=317 A film of 'time travelers or aliens' see and decide" a poster revisits a close encounter case from 1967 in which film footage may show human-like extraterrestrials the poster suggests could be time travelers.

Here is an excerpt from an article on the original case, entitled the "Lansing Movie,"

17 Feb 1967, about 9:45 PM, Palmer, Massachusetts: Mrs. Stella V. Lansing, a housewife, part-time nurse, and mother of five children, the oldest then in Vietnam, was parked with her car on Old Warren Road, just off Route 32, in the double-row, high-voltage power-line area. This was about a kilometer east of Palmer Center, away from street lights and houses, alongside Burleigh park, and no more than a kilometer from her home at Thompson Lake. Earlier this evening she had seen a yellow-orange globe of light near the old cemetery and now hoped to see it again. She had been puzzled frequently by strange lights in the Palmer area and this time brought a borrowed movie camera. She was ready.

Fig. 1. Sighting Area

Waiting patiently under a black, starlit sky with the moon nearly half full, she saw three distinct globes of yellow-to-reddish-orange light coming from the southeast, along the power line. Except for an occasional cricket-like sound they were silent, as low as the power line poles and no more than 20 m from them. Mrs. Lansing recalls: "They generally glided, sometimes bouncing in a dipping manner, as though riding the crest and ripples of a water wave." She started filming the approaching objects and was amazed when they suddenly retreated: "They bounced back like a rubber ball on a rubber string."

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The resulting movie was first viewed on an old projector, which unfortunately tended to burn the individual frames when the stop-motion lever was held too long on "still". Lansing evidently captured the zigzag motion by using the single-frame lever, but that's all her photo shows -- a zigzag -- with no unambiguous structural detail.

The 16 fps sequence, about 4½ sec long, has very low contrast, appearing as a yellow rectangle in the upper-left-hand corner of the projected movie. In her studies of the film, Lansing had switched to a battery-operated, hand-held viewer, to avoid burning any more frames, and only moving, ghostlike images were apparent. Months later, a modern projector was purchased. She recalls: "I had a shock of disbelief as I was finally able to see four beings, two of which were turning their heads and moving their lips as though conversing, and which then appeared to be looking down at me."

Fig. 2 shows one frame from this 4½ sec sequence. Fig. 3, sketched by artist Frederick E. Fahdt, assists the reader in locating the three occupants in Fig. 2. The fourth figure, not visible here, is standing to left in the movie scene. None appears to be the grey alien type usually reported in close encounters nor, with dark hair, are these the occasional blond "Nordic" types. Most striking is this veridical human character of the images, even more evident from their animated movements during projection. Who are these people? Could they be archeologists from Earth's distant future? With their casual and non-uniform garb, they look more like university researchers than a military crew.

fig 2. from movie
FIG. 2

fig 3 - artist rendering
FIG. 3

Lansing's movie was shown informally at the end of the APRO 1971 "Eastern UFO Symposium", where one of the featured speakers was psychiatrist / UFO researcher Berthold E. Schwarz, M.D. He subsequently visited Mrs. Lansing twice in Palmer on five days of February and April 1971, and studied her further at his New Jersey office during five days of May 1971. These investigations were usually attended by members of her family or close friends. Schwarz even enlisted the help of famed telepathist Joseph Dunninger, as a positive check on her veracity. Schwarz's on-site field trips to Palmer, numerous telephone calls and correspondence, interviews of her associates, and his psychiatric evaluation and continuing interest in this case, are documented for UFO researchers by seven articles in Flying Saucer Review (see Stewart's index). Dr. Schwarz's conclusions and comments in brief:

* Stella Lansing told the truth as she saw it, and was quite modest about it: "These things happen and I don't know why"
* Lansing had a history of paranormal experiences -- telepathic, precognitive, telekinetic, teleosomatic -- all within the range reported for psi-sensitive people
* Subjects can be driven into psychosis by our failure to believe them; Lansing was affected by her strange experiences and required hospitalization. Schwarz clearly emphasizes that these experiences were cause, not result, of her psychosis, which subsequent treatment completely cured
* Attempts to hypnotically regress Lansing were too traumatic and had to be abandoned
* Lansing had taken many films and photographs of UFO-like and bizarre, non-UFO-like objects such as described by Ivan T. Sanderson
* Careful, frame-by-frame analysis is necessary to see some of her photographed objects, which otherwise are overlooked
* Facts of the case do not support a thoughtography (paranormal exposure) explanation: (1) Ted Serios claimed to produce single-exposures, while Lansing's 4½ sec sequence has many frames of complex movement, (2) Lansing and Schwarz simultaneously filmed anomalous objects on-site in Palmer with separate movie cameras and got consistent results
* Question: how did Stella Lansing's psychopathology / psychophysiology make her a candidate for UFO interaction?

SOURCE ARTICLE

]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=317 Thu, 15 May 2008 15:01:01 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=316 UFO Abduction Story!! 2015 The Arrival!! Pt.5" a man claiming to be an abductee says that he was shown our future.

The man says that sometime prior to 2015, that we will "discover" extraterrestrial structures on the moon, proving that intelligent extraterrestrial races exist. The man says that the majority may still not believe or understand the implications of what is found, and that this will necessitate what is to come in 2015.

The man says that he has been shown that in 2015 there will be what he calls "The Arrival". At this time, all of these extraterrestrial craft will fill the skies (heard this one before?). He says that this event will prompt many on the ground to commit suicide. This same scenario has been described by timedrifter, Michael at Helloearth.info (the Michael Connection), and by other credible abductees who have seen this future scenario.

These craft, this man says, will leave almost as soon as they had arrived, but the situation on the ground will be changed forever.

Watch and decide for yourself. If you have been following along with this site, or others with similar forecasts, you really have to ask yourself how you would respond. Hopefully, it is as timedrifter, this man, and many others suggest, and that is with an open mind and heart.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

Here is a message posted at ufoabductee's main page,

I've been asked to post my version of what I remember about my abduction. I'm not trying to get famous of this bullshit. Many people say I'm doing this for attention. You'd have to be an idiot to try and get famous from an abduction story. I'm not here to prove shit I'm her to document what happen. Say what you want. I stay away from the topic of religion & God. People seem to judge my by my religious beliefs. I'm a regular guy; I'm probably the last guy in the world you'd think that would be abducted. I will answer your questions if interested. Save your breath with negative comments, waste of your time and mine. Hope to here from more of you.. I WILL BE CLOSING THIS YOUTUBE SITE Sept. 19th, 2008.

I don't know if the man in the blurred video is "Dean," or if he is "ufoabductee," but the video, given other very similar visions of the future, is fascinating. I haven't watched the other videos, but wanted to get this one up as soon as possible.]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=316 Wed, 14 May 2008 18:56:08 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=295 Bill "the Doctor"

The very popular podcast and website Mysterious Universe, hosted by Australian Benjamin Grundy, was down for a week and half. It was unknown what had happened. I tried to email one of the messageboard moderators and haven't heard anything back. Today it relaunched to a new format, and also a new episode christening the regeneration of the site. As of right now, the messageboards are not back up yet, but once they do, I'll be back as your inside man, or Time Lord.

]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=295 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:42:00 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=314 MysteriousUniverse.org, a new interview with David Icke is available.
LINK TO INTERVIEW
Renato has mentioned previous interviews with David Icke on his Radio Show, and seems to jive on some topics with what Renato has mentioned.
http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/
Bill "the Doctor"]]> Research http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=314 Tue, 13 May 2008 20:31:00 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=315 here (or click image below!)
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Call in number: (718) 664-6576

please feel free to join us here (or click image below!)
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RAW and UNCUT]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=313 Tue, 6 May 2008 21:34:58 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=312 Project Camelot: John Lear Tells All") is right on to be skeptical about any paranormal sites; especially, abovetopsecret.com and godlikeproductions.com. These are two of the biggest; two of the most "watched"; and two of the most censored conspiracy/ufo/paranormal sites on the net.

We still enjoy a dialog at abovetopsecret.com with interested and important members, despite the fact that our discussion has been relegated to a speculative (the "Skunk Works") section.

Timedrifter's experiences focus primarily around a six day missing time/abduction experience for which his family and a family friend were present and can attest, as can the local police precinct to which timedrifter's absence was reported.

Despite these facts, a moderator oddly still felt it necessary to move timedrifter's threads to the speculative section from the "Aliens & UFOs" section. Speculative discussion of aliens and ufos continue in the "Aliens & UFOs" section at abovetopsecret.com, while timedrifter's extraordinary story languishes in the Skunk Works section.

This fact hasn't hurt the thread's exposure or popularity, as it is currently in third place in the Skunk Works section for the most thread "responses" and is in fourth place for the number of thread "views". Not that we're keeping track...

The powers that be are still the powers that be. Until that changes, we will not see much in the way of broad exposure to the truth, save for what folks like Nancy Williams, Dan Burisch, John Lear, Svali, et al. are able to provide us through websites like this, Project Camelot, and other groups who support and endeavor to get the whole truth, and nothing but the truth out to the people.

Along these lines, Project Camelot shares a status update from Benjamin Fulford from an email correspondence that they received from him,

4 May

• Benjamin Fulford: epilogue to our recent interview

We asked Benjamin Fulford for a status report on the current state of affairs regarding whether there had been any change as a direct result of the public stand he took speaking out on behalf of the Asian Secret Society about the world situation. In answer, he wrote the following in an email dated today:

For the reaction, you will notice that Asian countries have stopped buying US government bonds. The US secret government has retaliated by artificially raising food and oil prices.

We are in the middle of World War 3. The US and Israel have been taken over by Nazis and the rest of the world is trying to take them down.

The reason the society has not started assassinations yet is that the Nazis in the Bush/Clinton administration want any excuse to start all out world war. However, if starvation begins in earnest, there will be assassinations.

Benjamin Fulford

Emphasis mine. Anyone following the food/oil crisis has to realize that there IS NOT CRISIS and that this is being staged. We're being manipulated and the markets are being manipulated. It's fake. Fortunately for us, Benjamin Fulford and his supporters are not.

PROJECT CAMELOT SOURCE ARTICLE

Tick tock...]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=312 Mon, 5 May 2008 22:01:59 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=311 Abovetopsecret.com (ATS). I have been banned 7 times from those cheese balls, if ATS is a goverment info collection agency they are a bunch of suckers cause it is going to back fire and blow up in their faces.

I think those ATS moderator dudes are women, and they get wet when they ban someone........cheese balls!!!

I will update this article when I am done watching the whole thing.

SOURCE ARTICLE

I just realized the video I embedded does not match the one I watch yet I got the code from the same place.

when I tried to update the link my PC shut off and when I brought it back up, the video changed, cause I used the restore session feature in firefox.

you blockers (you know who you are) better watch yourselves, If I am close to the truth, lookout punks, I am gonna rule you with fear now........cheese balls!!

OK, this morning when I posted this article, I was watching the video and it was 1 hour and 13 minutes, and the beginning was different than it is now and it is 1 hour and 16 minutes now (video below)
Part 1
They spend a great deal of time covering how cheesy ATS is and that the scam is apparent, something is obviously not right there and the rules and methods of control should be the first indicator, all I know is the thread we created there still lives there but remember it was moved to from the Alien and UFO section to skunk works and I was banned there 7 times for the cheesy reasons and the moderators are continuing a "pen devil" style of control there which I could care less about at this point since this site is getting more hits than the thread is at ATS, the volunteers keep coming, so watch john lear closely, if he is full of shit he deserves an oscar award.

Also a moderator at ATS added the word "hoax" to the tags at the bottom and other little girl type stuff you will see throughout the thread, especially when you see whole posts removed, I have made a few backups of it before it was "moderated", but whatever of course, the flood gates will open when they open and they will all wash out and be exposed.

Hear me now, believe me later, girly men at ATS!




]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=311 Sun, 4 May 2008 10:20:32 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=310
The whole thing started as a raid, in 2003, on several businesses owned by Southern Nevada businessman, Robert “Bobby” Kahre.

The alleged crime? Kahre was simply paying his employees with gold and silver coins instead of with paper money. The IRS expected Kahre to pay taxes on the market value of the coins as indicated in the Federal Reserve system (the value of the coins in U.S. paper dollars). Kahre was paying his employees based upon the face value of the coins and, as well, determined that the face value of the coins fell below the reporting threshold.

Kahre was obviously correct in his assertion as, after a four month trial, of the 161 federal tax crimes he and 8 other defendants were charged with, all of them were dropped.

Here are some article excerpts on this case. I'm posting the first article, from liberty-watch.com, in its entirety, as it very clearly and succinctly describes what occurred in this case, and why the citizens under attack were not guilty of any crimes, but how the government actually created this problem when it instituted a "dual" monetary system,

On a 106-degree May afternoon in 2003, government agents raided several establishments belonging to Southern Nevada businessman Robert “Bobby” Kahre. With guns drawn, officials held more than 20 handcuffed workers in the sun without water as agents collected records and other materials.

Kahre hadn’t committed a crime. He had upset the Internal Revenue Service by paying his workers based on the face value of gold and silver coins, versus the market value in the Federal Reserve system (the value of the coins in U.S. paper dollars). Even though the coins were in circulation, displayed a face value, and were regulated by Congress, the IRS’s confusing and endless tax code did not determine how to handle these gold and silver coins if used for payroll. The tax code only references dollars. It does not distinguish between coined money and paper money.

Kahre didn’t opt for the precious metal bullion system without first doing his homework. He consulted monetary experts, engaged in extensive research, and even met with congressmen. Kahre’s conclusion was simple: While the currency in the precious-metal system was greater in value than the currency in the other system, as money and a medium of exchange, the law knows no difference between the face value of both currencies.

The IRS expected Kahre to report his workers’ earnings based on the coins’ market value in the Federal Reserve system. Instead, he didn’t report or pay anything at all because the face value of the coins fell below the reporting threshold. The IRS alleged that Kahre and the other defendants paid at least $114 million (based on the Federal Reserve system) to workers. The use of these coins in trade is a direct challenge to the fiat money system now in place.

“Bobby Kahre is the only person in the world I know of with the courage to do that,” said Joel Hansen, a Las Vegas attorney who represented one of the nine defendants in the case.

While the purpose of the case was to identify the intent of the defendants, the trial that followed tested America’s dual monetary system and further validated that the U.S. greenback is quickly becoming more and more a worthless piece of paper.

In 1985, Ron Paul and other congressmen challenged our country’s currency system, which was monopolized by Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) — the familiar greenbacks in American wallets. The congressmen successfully pursued the Gold Bullion Coin Act, which required the U.S. government to mint and place gold coins in denominations of $50, $25, $10 and $5 into circulation based on demand. The coins are made of 91.67 percent pure gold.

The ultimate purpose of the act was to allow Americans to invest in gold. However, it also brought sanity back to this country’s monetary system by establishing a dual system. Instead of the Federal Reserve solely providing the money supply by endlessly printing FRNs, the U.S. government now minted and circulated precious metal coins.

In the mid-’90s, Kahre began exercising this alternate system. He compensated workers for their labor in the form of these gold and silver coins versus FRNs. The workers calculated their income and tax liability based on the face value of the coins.

One gold coin with a face value of $50 currently equals $806 in FRNs. If a worker earns a $50 gold coin each week, that person takes home an annual income of $2,600 based on the precious metal system, which is below the income-tax reporting threshold for an employee. However, the value of the coins in FRNs — $41,912 — is not. That’s the basic idea.

The IRS did not fancy Kahre’s gold-and-silver payroll system, and after seven years of operating his family businesses in this fashion, he and eight others found themselves as defendants in a Las Vegas federal courtroom. Kahre was charged with 109 counts of tax-related crimes, varying from tax evasion to willful failure to file and conspiracy to evade taxes. Fifty-two other counts were divided among the other defendants.

While the case was about the intent of the defendants, it raised several issues. There was the issue of whether or not Kahre’s workers were considered independent contractors, who are responsible for paying their own taxes, or employees, who have their taxes withheld by their employer each pay period. Then there’s the issue of America’s dual monetary system. If there are two monetary systems, and the value of one system’s currency is greater than the other beyond its face value, what is the standard for determining the value of taxable income?

No Federal Court of Appeals has ever ruled that the gold coins in question must be reported to the IRS based on FRN market value.

“The defense showed that the defendants believed in good faith that a Federal Reserve Note is not the standard because Congress created the dual monetary system,” Hansen said. “The defendants believed that gold and silver coins are just as legitimate and legal as our other tender, the FRN.”

Kahre certainly caught the attention of the IRS. In addition to operating his businesses via the gold-and-silver payroll system, according to testimony at the trial, he helped 35 other contracting companies do the same.

But even though Kahre and his colleagues followed the dual monetary system mandated by Congress, the IRS didn’t care. To America’s most feared agency, the bottom line was Kahre’s workers weren’t taxed enough for their labor.

Based partially on cases that pre-dated the 1985 Gold Bullion Coin Act, the judge in the case did not allow defense attorneys to argue that Kahre was justified to pay workers based on the face value of the coins. Based on case law, the court concluded that income had to be calculated based on the FRN fair market value, rather than upon the face value.

A flaw with some of those cases was that each referred to double-eagle gold coins, which Franklin D. Roosevelt outlawed in 1934. Those coins are no longer in circulation like the coins minted by the U.S. government following the 1985 Act. The double-eagle coins were deemed to be property for tax purposes in those old cases.

Of course, the judge’s rule was binding upon the parties and was followed by the defense attorneys at the trial. Hansen, under the good faith belief defense, was able to present evidence that his specific client, Alex Loglia, who performed research work for Kahre, did not have intent to commit tax crimes. This interesting twist allowed jurors to still hear the argument that Kahre was justified to pay workers based on the face value of the coins. The U.S. Supreme Court had long before ruled, in the Cheek case, that a good defense in a tax-evasion case is a person had good faith in not following certain tax laws.

“The Supreme Court said, if they don’t have criminal intent, then they are not guilty of tax evasion,” Hansen explained. “That doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay the tax, but it means you didn’t commit a crime and won’t go to jail for a felony.”

In 2005, Loglia penned a paper that earned him an ‘A’ from his law school professor Jay Bybee (who just happens to also be a 9th Circuit judge) on the gold-coin issue and the separation of powers. His paper took the position that, under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution, Congress alone had the power to coin money and set its value.

Loglia’s position was that the judicial branch does not have this power.

“The judge applied those old court cases, but we were still able to make the argument that Alex was not criminally liable because he believed in good faith in the use of the face value of the gold and silver coins for tax purposes,” Hansen said. “Loglia’s 100-page legal paper was great evidence for the jury of his good faith belief.”

LIBERTY-WATCH.COM SOURCE ARTICLE

Here is a video interview with Mr. Kahre and his attorney (below). The video includes government agents ramming through an open gate with military vehicles, and then targeting and smashing video surveillance cameras to conceal what is later determined as an unauthorized, criminal raid.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

The defendant, Mr. Kahre, brings up several critical issues in this battle for our rights, and that is "who" the IRS works for and where our taxes go. The problems surrounding this organization are much greater than can be explained in a couple of articles, and in the video interview, which is a brief of the case.

Mr. Kahre puts it aptly in the video when he says that our own government created this problem, and our representatives within that government have turned their backs on us. This situation, unfortunately, leaves the helpless citizen to weigh risking his life, and those of the ones he loves to fight this criminal institution, or to suffer under the weight of a systemic problem that would take an act of God to stop.

This second article is from educate-yourself.org,

IRS Suffers Stunning Defeat at Las Vegas Trial Concerning Coin Wages (Oct. 18, 2007)

Original title:
Tax Questions Raised Regarding
Gold and Silver Coins Used to Pay Wages

Around noon on Monday, September 17th [2007], a Las Vegas federal jury returned its verdict refusing to convict nine defendants of any of the 161 federal tax crimes they had been charged with. The charges included income tax evasion, willful failure to file and conspiracy to evade taxes.

The four-month trial centered around the family businesses of Robert Kahre who paid numerous workers for their labor with circulating gold and silver U.S. coins, and did not report the wages. The payments took place over several years, allegedly totaling at least $114 million dollars.

On September 20, 2007, three days after the federal trial's dramatic conclusion, the Las Vegas Review Journal, reportedly under a degree of public pressure, ran its first (and last) story about the outcome of the trial. To this day, with exception of the single article by the Review Journal, no major media entity has published a news story regarding the outcome of this important federal criminal tax case.

The censorship of this important news story is, unfortunately, not unexpected given the continuing, worldwide onslaught against the U.S. "dollar" -- specifically the Federal Reserve note variety, and the ever growing numbers of Federal Reserve Notes required to trade for an actual ounce of silver, gold, oil, or for that matter, anything.

In short, this failed prosecution has coalesced and exposed truths our government desperately needs to hide from the People: the truth about our money, the truth about our (privately-owned) central bank, and the truth about the fraudulent nature of the operation and enforcement of the federal income tax system, the Internal Revenue Service.

The article continues on the constitutionality of the Income Tax, as well as the intrinsic vs. face value of coins with regard to these court cases,

According to defense attorney Joel Hansen, who represented co-defendant Alex Loglia, the primary "willfulness" defense was that the defendants believed they had no legal obligation to withhold, pay income taxes or report anything to the government because, in part, the nominal (i.e., face value) of the gold and silver coins is so small as to fall beneath the reporting thresholds set by the Internal Revenue Code.

The Defendants also argued that regardless of the valuation of the coins for internal revenue purposes, there is no law that requires average American workers to file or pay direct, un-apportioned taxes on the fruits of their labor.

The Government argued that the payments in solid gold and silver U.S. coins must be considered at their bullion (i.e., intrinsic full-market) value when considering the worth of the wages for purposes of the internal revenue code.

Attorney Hansen cited two Supreme Court cases bolstering Defendant's monetary argument at the heart of the defendants "willfulness" defense.

The essence of the argument is that under the Constitution Congress is obligated by law to mint and circulate such coins as demand requires, and must establish the value of coins as they are used as legal tender, but the coins' market value, arising as valuable personal "property," is a distinct, separate attribute of such coins, and is of no legal consequence if the coins are used as legal tender.

In other words, if a worker is paid with such coins, his taxable "income" (if any) can only be the face value indicated upon the coin money paid -- i.e., $1.00 for a circulating silver dollar or $50 for a circulating gold U.S. coin. Not surprisingly, the IRS has never issued any public guidance regarding this significant issue.

The first case, Ling Su Fan v. U.S., 218 US 302 (1910) establishes the legal distinction of a coin bearing the "impress" of the sovereign:

"These limitations are due to the fact that public law gives to such coinage a value which does not attach as a mere consequence of intrinsic value. Their quality as a legal tender is an attribute of law aside from their bullion value. They bear, therefore, the impress of sovereign power which fixes value and authorizes their use in exchange."

The second case, Thompson v. Butler, 95 US 694 (1877), establishes that the law makes no legal distinction between the values of coin and paper money used as legal tender:

"A coin dollar is worth no more for the purposes of tender in payment of an ordinary debt than a note dollar. The law has not made the note a standard of value any more than coin. It is true that in the market, as an article of merchandise, one is of greater value than the other; but as money, that is to say, as a medium of exchange, the law knows no difference between them."...

EDUCATE-YOURSELF.ORG SOURCE ARTICLE

ABOVETOPSECRET.COM THREAD ON THIS CASE

What we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg of the absolute criminality of our social institutions. Like Kahre says in the video above, our taxes are not going to better our society. There are homeless veterans that can attest to this.

Every time a story like this surfaces, it makes me sick to my stomach that these are the folks who are in charge.

What we are seeing right now is the beginning of the end of this tyrannical system, and the freeing of all of the souls who have suffered and died at the hands of the few.

Do not ask for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.
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In this same update, Project Camelot states that a very disturbing November 2007 Rense.com article on chemtrails, and a marketoracle.co.uk article dated April 19, 2008, entitled, "Why Gold Was Hacked" have been targeted by the powers that be and either removed or, in the Rense.com case, directing you to a "Server Not Found" error.

I will include the text of the Rense.com article below, as well as links to the "removed by author" page at marketoracle.co.uk, the .pdf of that article, and a link to the Rense.com original article (as well as the "Cached" article). I have downloaded .pdf versions of both of these articles for safekeeping.

First, here is what Project Camelot's update states about these recent events,

24 April

• On 20 April we received a message from a veteran inside source, whom we've never met but have learned to like, respect and trust, to pay close attention to (and archive) this financial comment. Our source warned that it might not last long on the net, saying that "it reflects what the progression will be for the next 9 months.”

Yesterday, as he predicted, it was deleted "at the request of the author". Click here for the original page as a PDF. Save it and forward it to your financial friends for their reference. Post the original text (still cached on Google) on your blogs. We are still working to understand the significance of the information.

Our source also advised that the "time scale might be escalating", spoke of Iran, and warned of financial melt-down later in the year (August-November). He said that things were "serious". Of considerable interest is that the same source hinted heavily to us, a few months ago, that this artlcle about chemtrails was accurate. We have now read it again, very carefully.

Almost everything we are hearing, both from sources we have reported and from others which we have not, tells exactly the same story of economic and geopolitical events to come.

Does this look like fake rapture technology or what?

What Chemtrails Really Are
By Carolyn Williams Palit
11-9-7

"The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.

The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature [body biometrics] and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic. And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.

Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.

RENSE.COM CACHED ARTICLE PAGE

RENSE.COM ORIGINAL ARTICLE

PROJECT CAMELOT UPDATE PAGE

MARKETORACLE.CO.UK ORIGINAL ARTICLE PAGE (NOW REMOVED)

PDF FILE OF "WHY GOLD WAS HACKED"]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=309 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:59:21 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=308
It Happened on April. 21,2008 at around 8:00pm above Phoenix

Here is a news report video
phoenix local news
http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/Phoenix_local_news_042108_new-lights-sightings.895be60f.html

Here is an amature video posted on you tube of the sighting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthLVCMst6Y



here is also a good article on the sightings

Strange lights reported in north Valley sky
by Erin Kozak - Apr. 21, 2008 10:13 PM
The Arizona Republic
Several Valley residents reported seeing strange red lights in the sky on Monday night and the cause of the lights remains a mystery.

Arizona Republic reporter Anne Ryman, who lives in Deer Valley, reported seeing four lights in a square shape that eventually became a triangular shape. The lights were moving to the east and they disappeared one by one. She said the lights were visible for about 13 minutes at about 8 p.m..

One north Phoenix resident, who wished to remain anonymous, said he saw four or five red lights lined up in a straight line and spaced apart evenly. The lights slowly moved east and became dimmer as the witness watched. He said the last light remained in the sky the longest. Then three jets came from the west and traveled in the direction of the red lights.

An official from Luke Air Force Base stated that they do not have any aircraft in the sky tonight and that the lights are not part of any Air Force activities.

The Deer Valley airport officials said that the lights were not from any aircraft at that airport.

Ian Gregor, a spokesman for the Federal Aviation Administration said that air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor Airport also witnessed the lights, but they do not know the cause.

The incident is similar to the "Phoenix Lights" seen on March 13, 1997. Thousands of residents reported seeing a mile-wide, v-shaped formation of lights over the Valley. In that case the lights appeared about 7:30 p.m. and lasted until 10:30 p.m.

Article
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/21/20080421abrk-strangelights0421.html

Now on Ats this thread is getting some attention because of this sighting, a poster by the name of xniburux said that on the 22nd we should all look up and hope for a mass fly over, he somehow got word that it would happen then. Well the phoenix lights that just happened only a few hours ago!
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread346691/pg1

the massive fly other thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread345719/pg19

General thread on the lights: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread350487/pg2&flagit=350487]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=308 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:21:07 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=307 My Opinion:
There is a lot of fear mongering in this one, but I pay no mind to it, being prepared is more mental than anything else and I think most important. I think it is a matter of "manifest destiny" or in other words you get what you wish for. I wish for a positive and strive and strife for it and that is all any can do.

What stood out to me the most was the cloning and how confident he was about the subject, so that is what captured my attention when it comes to what I have said about clones in a the past, specifically the different genetic make-up of them. so the clone portion of the story he tells is mostly why I posted it in relation to my story.

SOURCE STORY
Part 1

Part 2
]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=307 Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:41:13 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=306
There is so much information being presented that it is actually overwhelming (something I think is definitely by design).

I believe it's important to take everything coming our way at this time in a larger context. Typically, Godlike Productions (GLP) will post a battery of "predictions" threads that by their sheer number, questionable sources, and often contradictory or dissimilar information, are assured not to come to pass. At least this has been the case up until this point; possibly.

So much noise is being made at the moment that that in itself may be an indication we're going to witness an event of some kind. Going forward, it may be prudent to take the amount/degree of chatter itself, rather than any specific message, as an indicator something may be on the horizon.

With regard to the content of the messages, it's understood that some of the more negative predictions may be posted by individuals with real information, who hope to inform, and possibly prevent, alter, or delay the events predicted by posting that information. Mixed in there, however, are pranksters, and those who wish to muddy the waters.

Typically, however, when there is a deluge of information like this coming out at the same time, from several different sources, one has to take note. It was the number of sources that prompted me to make this post today.

In addition to this flurry of messages about April 17, and the time period surrounding it, was some unusual activity at the GLP website that occurred around the time a lot of these message threads were created (Monday, April 14). Sometime around 6:30pm EST (U.S. East Coast), someone hacked an administrator's account and began deleting many of the major threads, and threads dealing with these predictions/revelations. The hacker "seemed" the be deleting threads at random, but to me, if you are targeting specific material to which you don't want to draw attention, you would also toss in some unrelated threads to throw people off track.

What one poster, calling himself "Majestic," suggested was that comments he and others had made on "frequencies" may have hit a nerve with these secret, elite groups. The reasoning being that these groups, according to Majestic and others, plan to use technology to send sounds and images directly into peoples' heads to simulate some sort of spiritual experience (read "fake rapture," "Project Blue Beam," etc.). It might have just been a disgruntled hacker, or maybe it was more. The timing was just very conspicuous.

Included in these messages is talk of a CIA assassination of the pope (which may or may not been presaged in Nostradamus' Quatrain 2.97), from Leo Zagami, a recent Illuminati whistleblower, which, he says, will be blamed on the Muslims (read Iran) and initiate World War III. Zagami states this, presumably, in an email exchange with Benjamin Fulford that was posted in a GodlikeProductions.com thread.

Here are some excerpts from the email exchanges between Zagami and Fulford that were posted at GLP,

My powerfull friends of Project LUCIFER in the Russian Federation waiting for me if I dont get into the USA‏
Fra: leo young (leoyoung1999@yahoo.com)
Sendt: 11. april 2008 07:10:34
Til: fsb xxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com)

...The killing of the pope is near my dear friend , the war of all wars is soon to start .
The black pope is coming and thats the start of ww3 .Israel and iran are going be over with soon and thats going to be the start of the war in USA and martial law...

Fwd: 20th of April my challenge to the Vatican led NWO (articolo per il sito)‏
Fra: leo young (leoyoung1999@yahoo.com)
Sendt: 7. april 2008 18:41:25
Til: fsbxxxxxxx@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:34:32 +0100
From: leoyoung1999@yahoo.com
Subject: 20th of April my challenge to the Vatican led NWO (articolo per il sito)
To: daxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.it

The killing of the pope is arranged and there will be turmoil after this . The cia will do the act and blame it on the muslims ....then Iran will be the next target as they will blame iranian terrorist for this act ...and by then you know what will happen .

its the end

GLP THREAD LINK

Russia has made clear its position on Iran with regard to the U.S. in the event of an attack,

Putin: A US attack on Iran will be considered an attack on Russia

...

A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a plan to nullify the George W Bush administration’s relentless drive towards launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike, against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow as an attack on Russia...

SOURCE ARTICLE

In addition to the assassination prediction, there are other numerous predictions for the time frame, beginning tomorrow, Thursday, April 17, through next week, including a prophesy by Ronald Weinland that he shared in a recent radio interview. Here is an excerpt from that interview,

...Starting on April 17th, within 45 to 90 days, depending on people's reactions in the United States , it is going to determine how quickly the "second trumpet" is going to blow. The second trumpet is in port cities in the United States , like San Francisco and New york , the harbors and so forth are various areas, Texas , Houston Texas . When those weapons go off, then, what is followed by that will be weapons on land and the "third trumpet," and it just progressively gets worse, and worse, and worse, until we're no longer able to function as a nation...

LINK TO EXCERPTED GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS.COM THREAD

Ronald Weinland says he's been shown that a nuclear device would be detonated at the locations he indicated above. In his words, the "First Trumpet" will be blown on Thursday, April 17, and depending on how the world reacts to this event, the Second Trumpet will be blown.

Ronald suggests that the Second Trumpet will be blown within forty-five to ninety days after this April 17 event, and that that Second Trumpet, in my understanding, will be these series of nuclear devices. Of course, Ronald sees a Middle Eastern country/countries as responsible for these detonations, but we know better, don't we? September 11, 2001 and the mountains of unanswered questions surrounding that catastrophe come to mind...

A poster at GLP discusses Ronald Weinland in another thread at GLP,

Majestic
User ID: 411403
4/15/2008 12:57 PM
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April 17th -- The Real Issue
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Their is something a little different about Ronald Weinland.
I believe this could be a crucial part of " The Plan".
Using mind control technology i believe they have played the part of "God" and given this information to Ronald.
This is not prophecy or truth, this is the basis for the implimentation of the Brotherhoods fake religious event.
I do not think this day will come and go without event. This is the day they have chosen.
His exposure, his wordings. The timing of it all.
Many are going to be deceived. None more than Ronald Weinland himself. This will be enough to convince the Christians and many others.
I and others have been speaking about what has already begun.
They have the technology to put words and images in your head.
They have spent years of secret study, development and deployment.
The game has just stepped up to the next level.

GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS.COM THREAD LINK

Majestic suggests that Ronald Weinland is the victim of the dark cabal's mind control technology. This seems more likely to me (and anyone who's been researching, and following along with whistleblowers, etc.), and if there is an attempt (or success in some form) of a nuclear detonation, then we are going to see an acceleration of contact with "groups of beings" who have been overseeing our race's "safe" progression.

This contact will begin what countless ufo "experiencers", government secret program whistleblowers, and contactees, etc., have been maintaining all along. Ronald seems to be purveying the dark cabal's agenda, and not one which is in line with where the majority of our race is truly headed. Ronald is not an advocate of positive extraterrestrial contact, and doesn't even take this phenomena into consideration with his doom and gloom vision of the future. Ronald may live out that prediction, but everything I've researched and learned shows that Ronald's future is "tainted" with an ages old fear-based "message" and will not come to pass.

If you see an attack on American soil you should have no doubt who is responsible for that attack. Secret elements of, or behind the U.S. government, buried deep behind the false facade we see on television, are becoming desperate, because they can see where things are headed. This appears to be a "final card" being played, but as has been said here and elsewhere, "if" they play this next card, it will immediately necessitate an intervention/contact scenario, and swift end to these groups. They cannot gracefully step down and relinquish control of the planet to the majority of this race, but instead will do everything they can to fight for what they "know" they are inevitably losing. They will be held accountable.

Any "signs and wonders" need to be seen as machinations of this group; however, much discernment will be needed as other beings may be prompted into action if this dark cabal's programs move to the next level. These "ET" beings' response will be swift and undeniable, so it is imperative to be "aware" during these times. Hopefully, we will be peacefully progressing (I actually think this is more the case), than having a startling introduction to these benevolent ET beings, necessitated by ugliness here on the ground.

Among the many predictions for this time frame is one presented by a member of Youtube who calls himself, "stonecut11". stonecut11 has posted a video of (presumably) himself in silhouette at Youtube, reading some sort of "announcement" from what looks like a regular notebook. stonecut11 says in no uncertain terms that our entire planet is about to experience something extremely profound.

Here is the transcript of the approximately ninety-second video at Youtube,

There is something I must tell the world.

You are all about to experience something truly amazing.

I will explain that in a moment, but first I must tell you about a certain event that will lead to that moment of magic

There is a fake satellite containing an electro-magnetic pulse device in orbit as I speak.

This will be detonated over the United States at a specific moment, causing a major power outage across the nation.

I am not responsible for this, but I will tell you who is. Vladimir Putin of Russia ; and he will succeed, but only for a moment.

At the moment of detonation you will see the evil in the world vanish right before your very eyes; and you will be amazed.

You will also be welcoming back your ancestors. The only reason they died in the first place is because this is only a development stage for your civilizations.

You don’t live here, you were only raised here. Your family tree was planted here some time ago; and each person has just enough time to show their true character.

Knowing your true character and your true nature is necessary in order to determine the lifestyle you deserve.

You will learn a lot more; but for now, watch for the great blackout that Vladimir Putin will bring upon you.

You will see numerous unknown vehicles arriving to liberate the goodness of this planet.

You will live forever.

Here is the video.



LINK TO YOUTUBE VIDEO

It's strange that he seems to be reading from a notebook...Included at the Youtube page is some text that accompanies the video I will include below.

This world is like a classroom full of children with no superviser in sight. This has allowed each of you the freedom to show your true nature toward others, without fearing consequences from a superviser.

Knowing your true nature is needed in order to properly place each of you in the lifestyle that you truly deserve. Most of you who are alive today will not experience death because there will be a very special occurence right after the device detonates.

Do not be frightened by the words that I am saying. I need everyone to realize something about the life that you have known since you were born. It was design to allow everyone in your family tree to serve just enough time in this confusing and often negative world, to train the human race how to appreciate goodness when it happens.

That is why there is a mixture of good and bad throughout your individual lives. If the bad did not exist in your lives, you would not know how to appreciate the good. Very simple!!! you needed to learn how to appreciate the good before you can enter the world truly intended for you.

That world contains peace, harmony, and a caring leadership who will keep your life happy and convenient. Had you been born into that kind of world, you would not know how to appreciate it.

Now that we know what everyone deserves, placing everyone where they truly deserve to be will be much easier. Your mind and your memory can be transfered very easily, and in a flash, you will wake up into a whole new reality here on earth. It is time for you all to realize just how magical this planet and your lives really are.

I am taking over and there is not one military power on the planet that can stop me. we are doing things a little differently now, so I suggest that everyone listen very closely to what I say. Start sharing your riches with the poor because they are about to be the most important people in my world.

My favorite people are the ones that lived difficult lives and they deserve the most of what I have to give. This is all right around the corner so start your sharing, start respecting, and start being friendly to others.

The tables will turn and that is what the new world is all about. The new world is the same world that you know, but it is controlled by a different type of leadership. If you are trustworthy, you will govern your own life under my rule and I will not interrupt. If that is your case, then you deserve nothing less.

You will be much happier in that lifestyle, but you had to be raised through this inconvenient process first or else you would take that special lifestyle for granted. Watch as I smash the enemies of peace wherever they are in the world. This is what the world is like when there is evil let loose. Now you can truly appreciate a world without it. We will now bring the evil to an end.

I will be introducing someone very special to all of you. Someone you've been waiting your whole lives for. You had to live "without" him for a while before you could live "with" him. This way you can appreciate him.

This has already been set in motion, so prepare yourself for the reunion of your family tree. This is all very true. As soon as america attacks iran, russia will detonate this device. After that, I am taking over. This world cannot be left unsupervised any longer. We are on guard, waiting for this event to happen, and it will happen.

As soon as it happens, you will see numerous unknown vehicles in the sky. Do not be scared. They are your friends. For those of you who think this is a joke, it is not! No one has ever seen this type of magic happen, so do not be frightened by these words. The current cycle of death has nothing to do with what is about to happen, so do not think that everyone must die before entering.

We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in the blink of an eye. You will be the same physical person that you are now, only a little different. You keep your talents forever!!

LINK TO YOUTUBE VIDEO

What is interesting about stonecut11's statements in the video is that they indicate that Vladimir Putin will be responsible for an attack on the U.S.; and this only a month out from the time that U.S. President Bush hand-delivered a "serious letter" to President Putin, that an article states,

At the start of talks with Rice and Gates, Putin held out the hope of agreements but did not give specifics.

"We can put a full stop on some problems in US-Russia relations and consider them definitively resolved," the Russian leader told his guests.

Putin said he had received a "very serious" letter from Bush. "If we manage to reach agreement on its basic provisions, then we can state our dialogue is proceeding successfully," Putin said...

LINK TO SOURCE ARTICLE

So where is the sudden turnaround here with regard to the U.S. and Iran? How can a conflict now arise? Leo Zagami seems to propose how this could occur in his correspondences I posted from above. This would have to mean that President Bush is either in collusion with Russia in some form with regard to an attack on Iran (i.e., the citizens are being played like a piano), or that the assassination of the pope (whether by the CIA or some secret U.S. black ops group, etc.), and subsequent findings ("planted" evidence or not) pointing to Iran might provoke an attack, forcing President Bush to violate the details of the letter he presumably presented to President Putin.

At the moment, there is no reason to suspect an attack on Iran. The news reports that suggest that terrorist elements from Iran may be involved in the skirmishes in Iraq is not justification to enter an all out war on Iran. And the evidence of a nuclear weapons program in Iran has already been dismissed by the intelligence community as non-existent.

What's strange in the above scenario, however, is the fact that President Bush even presented a letter to Putin, presumably outlining, one would surmise, resolutions for more peaceful relations between our two countries, only to be secretly involved in an assassination attempt on the pope that would lead to war.

Why would Bush, anticipating this plan, present this letter so soon before this operation would be effected? Is it to "appear" to want to make strides, and the assassination would be "all the more unlikely" given Bush's friendliness with Russia? Or, is it because Bush would in no way be involved with this supposed assassination and he is being played/manipulated like the rest of us by secret groups that operate behind/within the government? None can tell...

Are you having trouble following along? Me too. Trying to put all of these predictions and conversations into a larger context is pretty difficult; but this is an occupational hazard with regard to trying to sift through all of the information being made available. To me, it's important to try to take everything that is being released as "potentially" credible. One can never be too prepared; especially in the unprecedented climate in which we find ourselves.

Taking all of these items together with what has already been shared, we can now assemble a semi-comprehensive list of items (some of which can be found at Project Camelot) to be on the lookout for over the next day, and the years leading up to that magical date, 2012:

-- Fake rapture (AKA "Project Blue Beam")
-- Assassination of the pope/beginning of next great war
-- Attack on Iran, prompting Russia to detonate EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse Weapon) device via satellite - enter friendly ETs
-- Spontaneous spiritual event/ascension sometime between now and 2012
-- Mass flyover/mass landing by benevolent ETs
-- Arrival of a planetary body called by many different names, that will cause a geophysical (and/or magnetic) pole shift
-- The detonation of one or more weapons on U.S. soil (Hint: it won't be Muslim, or Middle-Eastern extremists, despite evidence that might suggest this), prompting an attack on Iran.
-- An EMP device detonates over the U.S. via a plane or satellite, not perpetrated by Russia, but which thrusts the U.S. into a total blackout, necessitating Martial Law (friendly ET's possible or not).
-- Barack Obama, George W. Bush, or Hillary Clinton will be assassinated, leading to Martial Law.
-- "The Revealing," the Illuminati (the bad guys) step forward and claim their role as divinely appointed "guides/overseers" of the human race, despite the fact that they've lied to, exploited, tortured, murdered, raped, oppressed and all but destroyed the human race all to serve their own selfish agenda.

What I've heard about Project Blue Beam type scenarios is that these elite, secret groups using this technology may use every piece of electronics in our homes to transmit these signals; and that by getting rid of these electronics, the signals will no longer have a "carrier"; i.e., will not be effective.

timedrifter has stated that any friendly ET arrival will be announced through radio, Internet, television, etc., but will be presented as an actual broadcast and not simply using those items as a conduit/carrier. This means that the friendly ETs, according to timedrifter, will present a clear message as a regular broadcast versus the "religiously" toned sights and sounds we may actually hear in our heads (i.e., "Blue Beam" stuff). The key difference here being that any government run scenario will have significant religious overtones, and the friendly ET messages will be of a different order entirely. I have been lead to believe that it will be easy to discern; although if/when these things come to pass, as scripture states, there will be those who cannot.

It has also been stated that these advanced, friendly ET contact groups, of which there will be many races, will use verbal and telepathic contact; so this should be anticipated as well.

With all things considered, I feel timedrifter says it best when he says to "be prepared".

Another individual has even placed all of this in a biblical context; advice that, now more than ever, we should be heeding as things accelerate faster than ever,

Jesus, when responding to the disciples question about His Second Coming and the End of the Age, warned them repeatedly about deception. He indicated that deception would be a serious problem in the last days and that many people would fall. So great would be the deception that He warned us about it ahead of time.

For false Christs and false prophets will appear and
perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect
if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.
Matthew 24:24-25

Let us continue to pray for discernment.

God Bless.

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http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/SedonaTalkRadio/Louise-Aveni

Now That's What I'm Talking About! - hosted by Louise Aveni on Sedona Talk Radio...Louise Aveni interviewed Sheldan Nidle today. He explained a few key aspects of his life and gave some detail on first contact and other subjects including E.T.s UFOs, First Contact, Galactic Federation, Spiritual, Universal Communication.

Sheldan Nidle interview with Louise Aveni on STR



Also Louise Aveni has a great collection of interviews with people like Jim Sparks, Dr. Richard Boylan, and some of the investigators from the history channel ufo hunters

Sedona Talk radio interview list

Also i did not get to post this before but this is a very important lecture from William Cooper back in 1991...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-729985813912005672&hl=en
]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=305 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:20:57 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=304 ProjectCamelot.org release a new video interview with David Wilcock. In this interview, the three of them discuss, freeform, what is happening on the planet, and what is going to occur as we close in on the 2012 time frame.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

"THE REVEALING"

An interesting note about this video, at just about the 24min mark they begin discussing Svali, the Illuminati whistleblower. Svali has done many interviews, in which she divulges her lifetime of involvement with the group known as the Illuminati, someone she claims is the secret group that manipulates and effects world events (someone timedrifter calls the "blockers" and others call the "dark cabal", "secret government", etc.?).

Her experiences start with her birth into this group, and include programming/mind-control, ritual abuse, and other inhuman treatment that she and others endure in this organization. Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy explain in the interview that they have been warned off of pursuing Svali's story, and probably for good reason.

Svali says that this group doesn't recruit, but "keeps it in the family" literally, and how people want to get out, but risk certain death trying to do so. An article excerpt that David Wilcock shares at his website shares more of Svali's description of this cabal,

...She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the richest and most powerful people in the world. It is largely homosexual and pedophile, practises animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It works "hand in glove" with the CIA and Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish apostates. It controls the world traffic in drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It may be the hand behind political assassination, and "terrorism," including Sept. 11, the Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.

It has infiltrated government on a local, state and national level; education and financial institutions; religion and the media. Based in Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look like picnics. One other detail: these people are not happy.

Svali's courageous testimony explains why our children are no longer taught civic values, why they are being habituated to homosexuality and violence, and why our "culture" is descending into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises the possibility that George W. Bush and his Administration are Illuminists and much of the world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling criminal conspiracy."

DIVINECOSMOS.COM SOURCE ARCTICLE

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Among the most startling revelations Svali has shared is the Illuminati's plan to practically deify themselves through a meticulously thought out program they call "THE REVEALING"; something the Illuminati had planned to unveil to the world closer to the year 2020, possibly later. It is through this project that the Illuminati plan to present themselves to the world and explain that they have been the group pulling the strings all along, and that they would be welcomed as liberators.

What David Wilcock states in the interview above is that this program entails is a "manufactured, worldwide financial collapse," created by this organization, at which time the bankers themselves appear on scene with the financial solution, followed by an explanation that, among other things, they have placed messages in the movies that we have known all of our lives that reflect their spiritual values, etc. - that they have ultimately "lead us by the hand" in search of what they consider spiritual fulfillment; enlightenment. Apparently ritualistic sexual abuse is of high spiritual merit to these folks.

What David further goes on to say in the video is that these folks believe that there is no God, as they've been able to perpetrate these crime against our race with impunity; as if to say that if there were a God, then they would have been stopped, or at the very least punished for these things. I sure hope they've chosen a pleasant, well-mannered, respectable looking spokesperson when they decide to out themselves to the rest of the world. Having an exploited, weary populace look the other way after your "organization" has enslaved hundreds of millions of people to a system you created; who have turned away from the dead, or dying, and starving people in other countries while you languished with advanced technologies; or who have sent our relatives and loved ones off to die to fill your coffers is a tall sales order...Still, some people may not be hip to that whole scene...

If this Revealing does come to pass, it may be one of the "sides" that people will need to choose between when everything comes to the surface. Are you with them, or are you against them? Pardon my French, but these fuckers would bring a shit storm down upon themselves should they decide to step out and claim royal heritage, and ownership/lordship of the human race. By their fruits ye shall know them. If a twisted cult that has been responsible for millions, possibly billions of deaths on this planet to serve their own selfish purposes, and then decide to come out and claim they are the good guys and receive their just reward, they have another thing coming. If you decided to side with these folks should they come out and ask for forgiveness, you have sided with the wrong group.

Point of fact, when these folks fall, they will fall hard. David Wilcock talks about this inevitable end in the video as well, and quotes Dan Burisch and other resources to support it.

In an excellent three part article David Wilcock has written at DivineCosmos.com, he shares Svali's brief description of the Revealing, and the time frame she says it is to occur,

CH: (calm, relaxed cadence): Hi. Svali, I just want to say how much I appreciate your bravery, in presenting this information in the way that you are. I've read your website recently. And my question is very simple. Based on the information that you're presenting, I'm wondering what timeline the organization of the larger Family that you're describing has for implementing the New World Order?

SV: Okay. I was told it would occur during my generation. I was told that by the year 2050 that they would be revealed. Now again, their timelines change, though. In fact, I jokingly referred to them as being like the Soviet Union, because you know how they had their five and ten year plans, and then things always got changed? In my own lifetime I saw several different timelines for things that were supposed to occur and change.

But as Greg noted, I've also heard of, from different people, that actually there is a HUGE push in the last few years. It's like, "It's CLOSE. It's CLOSE. Let's make things happen more quickly."

CH: Mm hm.

SV: So I couldn't begin to guess whether that's an accurate timeline or not. I know what I was told.

CH: I have a follow up question and that's it…

GS: Go ahead.

CH: …and this will be it for me. I have recently, against my own resistance to doing so, investigated, started to investigate fringe matters, if you will. Among them, the upcoming date on the Mayan Calendar of 2012.

SV: Uh huh.

CH: And as I've done this research, I've allowed myself just to be open to this information without believing anything I'm reading. One of the ideas that is presenting itself is that around 2012, not just according to the Mayan Calendar but many other theories out there, that we will be undergoing, as a planet, a revolutionary shift, if you will, of some kind or another.

And I'm wondering in the back of my mind if there might be any kind of race against the clock on THAT scale, if you will - especially if we're talking about a potential spiritual warfare…

SV: Oh, yeah.

CH: …using your words in play here. Do you see a possible relation there?

SV: Yes, I do. And, 2012 IS an important year. But again, I was not told that the final Revealing would occur then. But I believe that probably… what will happen is that there will be events taking place that will help to set the stage.

CH: Okay.

SV: But it's going to be… I was told… again, I'm telling you what I was told while a member of the group, so please take it with a grain of salt. As I know, these people aren't always honest or trustworthy - they are deceptive. But I was told that there would be an enormous economic collapse prior to the Revealing. That basically the stock market would destabilize.

CH: Well, that appears to be already happening.

SV: Yeah. Yeah. And I was told it would make the Great Depression look like Sunday school. And at that time, it's going to… they're going to really be manipulating finances to bring about chaos, confusion, warfare, and then…

But see, I don't like to be so negative. But I am telling you what I was taught when I was in the group, you know?

svali article ufo pic

It's interesting that Svali mentions the year 2012. David speculates about this year and what it foretells with regard to the Illuminati,

...I feel the most important point, for our own immediate future, is that this group DOES intend to come out in the open and tell the world who they are, and what they are doing. They call this pivotal moment of disclosure "The Revealing". For some people, that might seem like an utterly terrifying concept, but they DO plan on doing this… and you knowing about it, today, helps insure that the plan will not succeed.

Svali further suggests, in the next excerpt, that there is "a HUGE push" towards The Revealing in our near future - nearer than we may ever believe. Originally they didn't plan to do it until 2050, but perhaps they have become far more aware of the reality of an impending event in 2012, and therefore are now concerned enough that they have massively accelerated the timetable for disclosure.

The planning for this "Revealing" may also explain why there has been a moratorium on any publicity regarding UFOs. If they intend to use the "Jesus' bloodline" argument as an ultimate validation of their God-like status, they don't want competition from beings that obviously appear more evolved than any 'normal humans' on Earth, and who are allegedly flying around in technologies beyond our imagination...

DIVINECOSMOS.COM SOURCE ARTICLE

David Wilcock also discusses the divine balance in effect with regard to the Illuminati's plans; not only that, but how balance comes into play with regard to any polarized energetic manifestation (my phrasing),

Here is where the game of "Cosmic Synchronicity" comes in. It has been my experience that important events like this - which could be interpreted as another grab for power by our so-called 'Negative Elite' - end up being balanced by other events that reveal the greater perspective. In that way, humanity's free will is preserved, and we can avoid mental or physical enslavement. By my writing this article and pointing out how this balance happened, and the intriguing synchronicity of the timing, hopefully the greatest good will come out of it.

David further illustrates the subject of "balance" with an example,

Here's the deal: On almost exactly the same day as the story of Jesus' Tomb was breaking, a brand-new article came out on the ever-popular alternative news site Rense.com by a certain 'Ed Koni'. This man claims to have personally met and worked with a woman who is arguably the most highly-informative "Illuminati" defector of all time… a woman going by the pseudonym 'Svali...

DIVINECOSMOS.COM SOURCE ARTICLE

If you are wondering where in the hell this financial collapse originated, or where it is headed, it's clear to me that the Svali material is as good a place as any to offer a plausible explanation. Fortunately for us, when the negatively oriented side they will actually force the good guys to move up their own process of contact, so it's a win-win situation...For us...hehe

The clock is ticking. Who will be first? The Illuminati and their "Revealing," or the benevolent ETs and the next step in our evolution?

I'll give you one guess...

READING MATERIALS:

DAVID WILCOCK'S THREE PART ARTICLE "THE REVEALING"

DIVINECOSMOS.COM READERS' RESPONSES TO DAVID WILCOCK'S ARTICLE "THE REVEALING"

ARCTICBEACON.COM JANUARY 17, 2006 SVALI INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT

ARCTICBEACON.COM'S FOUR PART EXPOSE ON SVALI (PART 1 -- PART 2 -- PART 3 -- PART 4)

CENTREXNEWS.COM ARTICLES ON SVALI

MINDCONTROLFORUMS.COM ARTICLE "SVALI SPEAKS"


]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=304 Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:45:56 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=303

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Media coverage of the disclosure of the "torture memo" authored by Bush Justice Department official John C. Yoo has been mostly a deafening silence. But on this morning's Chris Matthews' show, someone finally fired a shot. As we mentioned in this morning's liveblog, credit goes to The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan, for taking the opportunity to ensure that this matter got out into the televised discourse somehow.

SULLIVAN: The latest revelations on the torture front show the memo from John Yoo...means that Don Rumsfeld, David Addington and John Yoo should not leave the United States any time soon. They will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes.

SOURCE ARTICLE

The "memo" in question mentioned in the above article was a memorandum issued by John Yoo to the Pentagon on behalf of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). Another article, dated April 1, 2008, describes the events surrounding this memo,

...John Yoo, merely a Deputy AAG in the Office, issued his notorious memo to the Pentagon, on behalf of OLC.

The Yoo memo effectively gave the Pentagon the green light to disregard statutory limits on torture, cruelty and maltreatment in the treatment of detainees. This is the version of the 2002 Torture memo, which was addressed only to the CIA and the torture statute, as applied to the numerous statutes restricting the conduct of the armed forces. None of those statues, you see, limits the conduct of war if the President says so. It is, in effect, the blueprint that led to Abu Ghraib and the other abuses within the armed forces in 2003 and early 2004. Here, finally, is Part One of that memo, and here is Part Two...

SOURCE ARTICLE

Another article, entitled, "Disclosure Of Torture Memo Fails To Grab Traditional Media's Attention", dated April 3, 2008, captures this story, which you will see from my return excerpt from the first article above gets swept under the carpet,

Disclosure Of Torture Memo Fails To Grab Traditional Media's Attention

...What if they disclosed a torture memo and nobody cared? This week, an 81-page memo, authored by John C. Yoo, who was a deputy in the Office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice at the time of its creation, was declassified and made public. The memo, which, among other things, was used as the rationale for authorizing the torture of government detainees, has long been held to be a savage reimagining of the structure of the Executive Branch and its authority, hostile to the traditional checks and balances that circumscribe the President's authority. And that's stating the matter diplomatically...

ARTICLE SOURCE

The first article continues,

...The moment came during a segment on Matthews' show where the panel is invited to "tell him something he doesn't know," though this might be more accurately termed, "something he doesn't know he should talk about." Matthews is hardly alone. Via Sullivan, we are directed to the blog of Glenn Greenwald:


Here are the number of times, according to NEXIS, that various topics have been mentioned in the media over the past thirty days:

"Yoo and torture" - 102

"Mukasey and 9/11" -- 73

"Yoo and Fourth Amendment" -- 16

"Obama and bowling" -- 1,043

"Obama and Wright" -- More than 3,000 (too many to be counted)

"Obama and patriotism" - 1,607

"Clinton and Lewinsky" -- 1,079

I'd also like to quote Greenwald at length here:

Every day, it becomes more difficult to blame George Bush, Dick Cheney and comrades for their seven years (and counting) of crimes, corruption and destruction of our political values. Think about it this way: if you were a high government official and watched as -- all in a couple of weeks time -- it is revealed, right out in the open, that you suspended the Fourth Amendment, authorized torture, proclaimed yourself empowered to break the law, and sent the nation's top law enforcement officer to lie blatantly about how and why the 9/11 attacks happened so that you could acquire still more unchecked spying power and get rid of lawsuits that would expose what you did, and the political press in this country basically ignored all of that and blathered on about Obama's bowling score and how he eats chocolate, wouldn't you also conclude that you could do anything you want, without limits, and know there will be no consequences? What would be the incentive to stop doing all of that?

He couldn't be more right, I'm afraid.

ARTICLE SOURCE

Proud to be an American! Not...

Isn't it funny how all of your local news stations, seemingly different entities, all report on the same banal news items? Isn't it also funny that a news network as large as CNN can scour the entire planet and the best news items they can come up with are Britney Spears and Paris Hilton?

The Bush administration will laugh this off, as that administration and others before it have been doing for years. This is the sad reality. And just in case they feel the brief attention these stories receive may provoke some sort of potential legal follow-up, we can rest assured there will be individuals set up to take the fall - at the very most.

If it appears things may really get ugly for this administration, you count on a war with Iran heating up, or a "surprise" attack on U.S. soil - this despite all of the U.S.A. Patriot Act (House Resolution 3162) organizations created to prevent just such an attack. What would we hear after such an attack, "We just weren't prepared...". Just like your Federal Emergency Management Agency Huh? Go figure.

A surprise attack would have to be blamed on Iran (North Korea?), because there clearly isn't an excuse (despite U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's action-based "One Percent Doctrine", "Even if there's just a 1 percent chance of the unimaginable coming due, act as if it is a certainty. It's not about 'our analysis,' as Cheney said. It's about 'our response.' … Justified or not, fact-based or not, 'our response' is what matters. As to 'evidence,' the bar was set so low that the word itself almost didn't apply.") to go to war with Iran as a recent report (December 3, 2007) has proven,

NIE Report: Iran Halted Nuclear Weapons Program Years Ago

ABC News' Martha Raddatz, Jonathan Karl, Luis Martinez, Kirit Radia and Jennifer Duck Report: In a stunning reversal of Bush administration conventional wisdom, a new assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies concludes Iran shelved its nuclear weapons program over four years ago.

"We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program," reads a declassified version of the National Intelligence Estimate key findings.

"We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough highly enriched uranium (HEU) for a weapon is late 2009."

The entire NIE report will remain classified, however the office of the Director of National Intelligence released a declassified version of the key findings that can be read HERE.

The new intelligence report could create an embarrassing situation for the United States as it pushes for a third United Nations resolution against Iran for its nuclear activities.

The Bush administration reacted swiftly Monday, arguing that while the latest intelligence report is "positive news," they won't abandon their strategy of applying "intensified international pressure" on Iran...

Why, Mr. Bush?

SOURCE ARTICLE

And there certainly isn't anything to fear from Russia, per this latest March 17, 2008, article about Bush hand-delivering a letter of very serious import,

Putin hails 'very serious' letter from Bush

...Russia and the United States sounded upbeat Monday about easing tensions between the two powers as President Vladimir Putin welcomed a "very serious" letter from US leader George W. Bush.

In a far cry from the acrimony at similar meetings here six months ago, visiting US Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice hailed the positive tone of talks with Putin and others at the Kremlin.

Gates said it was even possible to conclude a deal on controversial US missile defense plans before Bush leaves office in January 2009.

At the start of talks with Rice and Gates, Putin held out the hope of agreements but did not give specifics.

"We can put a full stop on some problems in US-Russia relations and consider them definitively resolved," the Russian leader told his guests.

Putin said he had received a "very serious" letter from Bush. "If we manage to reach agreement on its basic provisions, then we can state our dialogue is proceeding successfully," Putin said...

SOURCE ARTICLE

So, worst case scenario, we are probably looking at a couple of commutations or pardons as some preselected fall guys take a spill (i.e., business as usual).

Michael Salla believes that many of these conflicts are created as a distraction; in particular, from the extraterrestrial situation - which is growing exponentially.

Salla discusses the need by secret government organizations to create a distraction from the ET phenomena - a "false flag" scenario, suggesting such tactics are these most secret agencies' "last card" when things aren't going their way. This possibility is not inconceivable, and is backed up with much supporting evidence in a recent article entitled, "False Flag Operations, 9-11 and the Exopolitical Perspective,"

...In historic ‘false flag’ operations such as the burning of the Reichstag in 1933, the 1953 Iranian coup, the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964, intelligence operatives from governments staged events that would be blamed on targeted groups in a way that would facilitate government polices to increase their power or topple foreign governments. More controversially, Griffin argues that the 1941 Pearl Harbor attack was a false flag operation and that this demonstrates the magnitude to which false flag operations can be conducted...

...For example, the 1979 coup that removed the Prime Minister of Granada, Sir Eric Gairy, was a false flag operation designed to prevent Gairy from getting the United Nations to seriously move forward in investigating the UFO issue. Gairy was instrumental in Grenada's sponsorship of the only United Nations Resolution dealing with UFOs (passed in 1978) and was scheduled to meet with UN Secretary General on 13 March 1979, to discuss further UN initiatives on UFOs based on extraterrestrial material recovered in Grenada.[22] On the same day of his meeting, his government was removed from power in a revolutionary coup led by Maurice Bishop...

...President Clinton reportedly said to senior White House reporter Sarah McClendon: "Sarah, there's a secret government within the government, and I have no control over it."[18] The ‘secret government’ managing extraterrestrial affairs sits at the apex of the unelected “permanent government” and has been described as MJ-12 or PI-40...

...surveys such as the 2002 Roper Poll show that approximately 70% of the American public believes the government is not telling the truth about UFOs and extraterrestrial visitation.[32] This suggests that there is great benefit in connecting the 9-11 and UFO cover ups to better understand the key actors and institutions involved in false flag operations and possible exopolitical factors. It is only through a systematic understanding of the exopolitical perspective that the true motives underscoring the ‘war on terror’ and the nature of the ‘secret government’ can be fully gauged, and a durable solution found that prevents future false flag operations...

SOURCE ARTICLE

It is high time for this administration, and our government in general to suffer the consequences of these desperate criminal acts.

It was suggested in an article I came across that George H.W. Bush cried publicly after the events of 9-11, because he knew about them in advance; however, when it became necessary to detonate explosions in one of the towers to keep the top of the tower from falling sideways, the result was the catastrophe we have today. I am trying to find the article, but the suggestion was that the administration intended to initiate a distraction/start the war, but events did not go as planned, and now the administration may be answering for these crimes.

Whether or not this administration is trying to stem the tide of the extraterrestrial reality is secondary to the egregiousness of the acts themselves. They must be held accountable.

As to the possible extraterrestrial connection, we will soon see that, if in fact these atrocities are carried out as a distraction, that it would have all been for naught.

We will know soon enough. And the consequences for these actions will be doubled.]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=303 Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:06:38 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=302 SOURCE
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]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=302 Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:48:35 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=301 He names many names, I am sure the Time travel Volunteers will investigate this shit. haha

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Phone Call prior to video (mp3 file):
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Concerning part 3 or "the 2nd coming" or "the next coming" I must point out the time frames he states conflict with my own time frame, the next coming of some type of messiah is earlier, it will happen at the concert.]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=301 Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:18:42 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=300
It's interesting that this date/dialog is spreading quickly, including in the mainstream media.

A recently added Youtube video entitled, "2012 Conference on Fox 11 Los Angeles" shows a news source discussing a dialog that has started between Hollywood and the spiritual community about 2012 and the changes/predictions associated with this date.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

The conference in question, the "2012 Conference" has a trailer at Youtube here (below).



YOUTUBE CONFERENCE TRAILER VIDEO LINK

It's pretty exciting that this topic is receiving more attention in the public arena. And for good reason. A lot of 2012 skeptics continue to counter that the Mayan calendar may have been misinterpreted, but there really are many other cultures, as well as our own, that see great changes occurring during this time frame.

Here are a couple of video excerpts from one of Ian Lungold's lectures on 2012. Others are available at Youtube, Google Video, Disclose.tv, etc.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

And another from Ian Lungold.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

As it's become clear that these changes are occurring now, and there is a great likelihood we will see some really big changes this year, we won't have to wait until 2012 to know these changes are occurring.

To add to this, I wanted to share an excerpt from the Michael conversation below, together with some channeled material that was just released with regard to "First Contact". I've already shared this information at TD's AboveTopSecret.com thread (page 109).


Finally, I wanted to share some excerpts from recent messages that share a lot in common with TD's visions of our near future.

The first, which I've posted more of at TD's website, involve Michael's (from the Helloearth.info interviews) recent contact experiences, and what is explained is about to occur on our planet.

Here are some excerpts from those interviews (from the February 19, 2008 interview) regarding the mass flyover/landing,

Curtis : Sounds like a huge ah... ah huge flock of them. 31:21

Michael : Yes yes and the formation the term armada was ah was brought out ...But these armada this armada or formation will literally make itself known throughout the entire globe or the entire Earth would know of there existence... and many many areas of the larger cities the Earth will simply make bye-byes. They will be invincible there is no need there...

Curtis : It'll get... it will make what? 32:24

Michael : It'll... They will be invincible invincible... there's no sense in um...

Curtis : In shooting at them.

Michael : In shooting at them... right. But their message is almost fearful. In other words... it is... going to be so obvious that they are.. that they're there. That no one can deny that they're there. You know... this is not some mass civil... hallucination of ah you know a particular city or group of people you know. It is not a sighting of one large craft... but literally armada... a formation. But it... they didn't appear ah... in a sense where... they all flew in together. They started just started to pop into... ah... vision and ah increase in numbers some did fly in seems to move in toward the formation where most just started just popping into view.

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Michael : Until there is... literally going to be... just um unbelievable ah conformation. ah People are asking... you know our governments for full disclosure. You're not going to need any disclosure. The disclosure is not going to be coming from our governments... it's going to be coming from our friends who shepherd our... the asteroids from hitting our Earth.

Curtis : Will this armada of craft fill the sky is that going to be... the sky over Maui or is that going to be sky over a certain area... I mean how much of... how many...

Michael : It's going to be ah... well of course they're going to move through. They're not going to literally just cover the entire planet Earth. They will move like in an armada In other words... a very dense group of them will just make their presence known. It will be hard to number them... there will be...

HELLOEARTH.INFO MICHAEL INTERVIEW PAGE LINK


Then, in a message posted in a Yahoo group recently by someone calling himself, mygraciousprince (it's channeled material, so if this stuff chafes you, read no further),

As Sheldan Nidle has stated, "The original version of the mass first contact event is now to be the third or fourth appearance rather than the first." This is true. It will be a three step process; that now, has fully been planned and implemented...

..."Mother Earth is holding on for her life. She is ready to transform herself and prepare for ascension. We expect Earth changes to occur by the year 2010; so First Contact needs to happen at the latest, by the summer of 2009." ...

Step 1 – Step 1 entails a massive fly over event around the entire world. There will be one group of ships in-formation that will move from continent to continent and will travel over highly populated areas. A "flight path" has already been created and assigned. It will be an event that the governments around the world cannot explain by simply debunking it as "aerial flares or military aircraft."

This event will begin to shatter the planet wide UFO cover-up by directly showing the public that extra-terrestrials exist. Energies will be
emitted by the ships which will make the public not react in a chaotic or fearful manner. Love, Peace, and Joy will become the mindset of the public viewing the ships. But won't the dark cabal tell the public that we are being invaded by "ETs" possibly? No. Telepathic messages will be sent from the ships as the energies are being emitted which will state the following, "We come in peace and do not mean harm...

Step 2 – Step 2 is the same as Step 1 except for a couple of differences. Step 2 will ONLY occur AFTER the dark cabal is fully out of power. Once that has been accomplished, another massive planet wide flyover will occur. This will mark the beginning of the transition to the Golden Age...

Step 3 – Step 3 is a full mass contact which will occur as mass landings planet wide. This marks the reunion with our space brothers and sisters and the beginning of a new era of life for humanity on Mother Earth...

SOURCE LINK FOR MATERIAL IMM. ABOVE.

I am convinced when timedrifter says it (and Bonnie from alienabductionhelp.com; and Martin from aliendoodles.com; and many other credible abductees/contactees). It's clear that, collectively, there is a message being delivered here.

The message is the same; and I'm not convinced that an individual channeling material (or the potentially lower vibrational/dubiously intentioned individuals he or she may be channeling) are trying to create confusion with regard to what is happening, because frankly it's a poor way to do it - simply echoing what credible individuals are sharing. Hope that made sense...

So, these folks are all saying the same thing...

I guess we'll have to wait and see...]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=300 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:42:06 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=299 Helloearth.info, a contactee named Michael calls in every Tuesday to chat with the show host, Curtis. Michael's story involves another contactee, Riley Martin, both of whom claim to have met each other on a mothership that was based, at the time, beside Saturn.

Their separate stories are long, and you can click on their names above to learn more about them. What I wanted to share, however, and this may have already been posted by atsguy, are Michael's revelations about our future; revelations that, like timedrifter, include a mass arrival/landing of friendly ET ships that will end, for good, the secrecy and mystery surrounding the ufo phenomena. You can't say "ufo phenomena" without also saying "contact"; because that is what is occurring.

I took the following information from the interview held on Tuesday, February 19, 2008, and the following Tuesday, February 26, 2008, in which Michael talks about his contacts and visions regarding our immediate future. It's become increasingly clear that these sightings will increase exponentially until an event so undeniable occurs that it will change the face of the planet forever.

The good thing is, you won't have long to wait.

This is long, but worth the read. All of what Michael is sharing has been provided by countless other credible sources. The future is not bleak as many would have you believe (maybe in the financial markets), but it is bright and has nothing to do with our own social institutions, save to disband what is broken and no longer serves the people.

Read on...

Michael : Right. um...the Tampa ufo ... people go to youtube and look at the... that one... you'll notice that it looks like ah... entry... entry... re-entry of something ah... from space... like an asteroid. And I strongly feel it was an asteroid that was shepherd away from Earth... ah because I was told that it will be too... they have done it in the past and they are continuing to do this. In other words... we haven't had a gigantic ah... ah... impact. Tunguska wasn't a direct impact either it was Ariel and it was in a.... in a area that wasn't even um... heavily inhabited. So um such things have been shepherd away so that they wouldn't destroy planet Earth. So that's ah... actually destroy you know... our... interrupt our civilization. So that is what is happening right now. And that is a good example... the Tampa one is a good example of ah... the ah... the ah... the protection... that is being offered or actually being given to us... um and ah... sometimes we're not... we're just... we don't understand it. And that's what happened. There was another event... a famous one that the asteroid like entered our atmosphere and went over some of the people at a football game filmed it... going right over the top and it sort of just went back out into... space. And they saying it was a ricochet effect... but it was also shepherd away so it wouldn't impact and ah... really destroy a lot of things going on as far as our civilization is concerned.

Curtis : You know... that would be quite an explosion. 7:49

Michael : Well you know...

Curtis : Impact from a creator.

Michael : We've had a lot of things that have been put up on you know... some of these informational channels you know that talk about asteroid impact and what could happen and how many happened you know... eons and eons ago you know... before civilization occurred before even ah... I guess... well... at least much older than 10,000 years. So there's been a certain um... protection going on... to let us continue our development to the point which we are at right now... extending ourselves out into space and um... getting to the point of becoming a ah... adoptable civilization.

...

Michael : ...I just want... you know... the people who listen to know that... they're actively involving our welfare and they're not just... they have no need to take (laughs) anything from us... but they've got this this tremendous need to obey um... you might say obey God or obey over there dictates what what they ah... want they're told to do which is to protect... us until there comes a certain point in time which we are rapidly approaching right now.

NOTE: Michael talks about those not “chosen” for their particular “DNA makeup” remaining on the earth, which is to be transformed into a sort of heaven, with much help. He mentions, however, some sort of natural catastrophes that decimate a large number of the population, but that in the end no one is excluded from what the universe (God) has in store; which is without question (at least in Michael's mind) heavenly.

Curtis : So they... so they basically took an asteroid and did something that nobody could do.

Michael : Yes yes. And was... it's not for their good. If they keep one from hitting Earth... it's not for their good... it's for our good.

Curtis : Yeah it sure... sure didn't hit the Earth.

Michael : Right... so the a... one place that I was... you know reminded of... ah... strongly... was this particular scripture revelation 7... verse 3 saying... hurt not the Earth... nor the sea nor the tree... until we've sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. So the task is not complete as far as sealing... you know all of these servants. in other words... this... this is like Tan going... telling my wife... you know... it is not about you choosing me [Tan, Riley Martin's alien contact]... it is about me [Tan]... they're selected according to... whatever criteria that is being...put out for those who are being tagged I guess you might say and sealed. But that...it does not exclude all... of the rest of the Earth if there is something terrible that should happen. And a lot of people died. Because there's immediately a reference to a great multitude that no one could number... that are actually brought before alive an well ah... and continuing on in ah... in ah... in heaven you might say.

NOTE: Michael talks about a vision he'd had the Saturday prior to this interview, which would place the vision on Saturday, February 16, 2008.

Curtis : You started telling me just before the recording started and...

Michael : Yes. It is related to these events.

Curtis : Was this last Saturday Night?

Michael : This past... yeah.

Curtis : Okay... great... tell us. 26:56

Michael : Well ah... it has to do with... somewhat Nicola's question but... ah... Nicola had a question about how they would get into our... our... announce um... themselves on our radio system or our telecommunication systems but mostly on our own feed. Our own... our own reporting systems that will make it known. They won't suddenly appear as they are... it would be too traumatic for Earth ah... to see that. But there will be an event coming up and it is coming close to this time right now. What this dream had to do... is it's crystal clear ah dream and ah like I told you Curtis it... I actually wake up continuing the dream. And ah and I decided that... ah I see... they have a message ah... a very clear one. And um that particular ending was ah with the ship a little ship coming down Tan and Nela. Coming in and landing and asking me to come with them but this basically tells me that this is coming from them... coming from ah... our friends my friends our friends up there. And ah... what it amounted to was it began... broad day light... a broad daylight sighting. Of a ah type of craft that ah was um flashing colors...

the rectangular ah sign post type ah out out maybe at an elevation of maybe about 15,000 feet or so and then dropping in closer having very very bright daylight visible color spectrums like ah ah green ah blue white yellow various red spectrums. Those colors just flashing and flashing making itself very visible and very ah ah well known... in a sense ah advertising itself. And then um it suddenly more and more craft began to appear. And the numbers of craft began to appear they began to appear in great numbers and much larger sizes and diverse types too. Not just having a um... a saucer shape type. Having those that are... cylindrical ah some of them will have wing shapes and others that where ah... saucer shaped where just unbelievably (? ?) just simply popping into vision... and pretty soon the entire ah... the entire sky was covered by them and ah what was given to me... and this is a dream now so there are symbols here that are being brought forth to explain what was is about to happen. And um along with these these ah pictures... the pictures of many many craft coming into being and staying ah up in in the sky... was the statement it is... look at this armada of ships... the term armada... it's... what does that bring to mind? Curtis

Curtis : Sounds like a huge ah... ah huge flock of them. 31:21

Michael : Yes yes and the formation the term armada was ah was brought out it looks it is the Armada of the federation of of of GOD. It is the actual symbol of our um... coming into age... where we need to get absorbed back into ah where our planet is supposed to become... it sort of... should have been there a long time ago but... it didn't make it. But these armada this armada or formation will literally make itself known throughout the entire globe or the entire Earth would know of there existence... and many many areas of the larger cities the Earth will simply make bye-byes. They will be invincible there is no need there...

Curtis : It'll get... it will make what? 32:24

Michael : It'll... They will be invincible invincible... there's no sense in um...

Curtis : In shooting at them.

Michael : In shooting at them... right. But their message is almost fearful. In other words... it is... going to be so obvious that they are.. that they're there. That no one can deny that they're there. You know... this is not some mass civil... hallucination of ah you know a particular city or group of people you know. It is not a sighting of one large craft... but literally armada... a formation. But it... they didn't appear ah... in a sense where... they all flew in together. They started just started to pop into... ah... vision and ah increase in numbers some did fly in seems to move in toward the formation where most just started just popping into view. So this is ah what I received in the dream. Of course the interpretation is not too hard to do and it ah... the timing of it is sort of vague though... but ah... that's that's something that... at least we get a hint on... is what's ahead of us right now. I did say that this year is will be... um increasing number of sightings and it seems to be happening right now... um according to the dream it looks like it's going to be escalating to a far higher... um level... a level that even makes me... like surprised... that could ever ever be so large.

Curtis : Well this is February... are you saying it's going to be this year?

Michael : It's it's started already...

Curtis : It's started already. 34:27

Michael : Yeah... it's just going to continue.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : Until there is... literally going to be... just um unbelievable ah conformation. ah People are asking... you know our governments for full disclosure. You're not going to need any disclosure. The disclosure is not going to be coming from our governments... it's going to be coming from our friends who shepherd our... the asteroids from hitting our Earth.

Curtis : Oh good well they'll be a lot more believable to listen to.

Michael : laughs... yes. Yeah so... but it's not going to be... it's not... what an an important thing is... as much as I ah... would think wow it's a nice thing... it's going to be somewhat scary. For a for... for the entire Earth... to see that much happening. ah It will progress toward that point... but it will come to a point where... it's undeniable.

Curtis : um You said this is going to be for entire Earth.

Michael : Yes

Curtis : Will this armada of craft fill the sky is that going to be... the sky over Maui or is that going to be sky over a certain area... I mean how much of... how many...

Michael : It's going to be ah... well of course they're going to move through. They're not going to literally just cover the entire planet Earth. They will move like in an armada In other words... a very dense group of them will just make their presence known. It will be hard to number them... there will be...

Curtis : And the came to you in a dream last Saturday.

Michael : huh? 36:22

Curtis : You said this was your dream last Saturday.

Michael : Yes... this past Saturday. Even nighttime I woke-up Sunday morning with a... full ah consciousness of ever part of it. But it's just summarizing it in a general sense... and ah...

Curtis : And you remembered your dream? I mean a lot of people like myself....

Michael : Oh no this is... this is the kind that I can not deny. It's a dream which is very lucid. ah I get... I you know... asking questions... receiving answers... um... things like that.

Curtis : So you were asking... asking questions right in the dream?

Michael : Yeah... so what is this? It is the armada of God... the ah... the expression of the announcement... so ah... ... ... So anyway that's um... the... the basics of it I guess.

Curtis : That's quite a dream?

Michael : Yeah... well... it's not out of line with what I have been saying. It is more or less... you know conformation not from... from ah my own mind dreaming it up but a message sort of said in symbol... by ah my mind... in a very vivid lucid way... ah basically coming out with this massage.

Curtis : And was this message a visual message or was it also a visual and audio message... did they... talk to you in the dream?

Michael : Yes but... it it ah wasn't as significant just a few words... that needed to be like the armada of God and ah... another things was that the choice for me to go... with them... was immediate... there was no... let me go back and get my things... kind of concept. There is no time for that. You either are going... or you're just going to get... you know just stay. There is no... I'll wait around here... ah... go get your things... no. Just go... the way you are. So that's what was given to me... and ah... I said... oh well... lets see what... you know and then of course... that is pretty much where I woke-up and I said... ah okay I know what is going on. And ah... and ah this is an important part yet... we won't really have a chance to say hey... let me go... ah find my... my ah... my wife... or lets go ah tend and get my pet dog or anything... no it is none of that. You have basically no no time for that. It's... are you willing? Yes No That's it.

Curtis : huh 39:49

Michael : So but it doesn't exclude... it doesn't exclude... you know the mass majority of people from becoming ah part of this great multitude that is described in the Revelations that no one could number. But as far as the numbered group that will be taken out and will be moved by this armada. And this will usher in a tremendously different age upon the Earth... an age of development... of knowledge... of learning... ah it is the age where our our our weaponry would be demolished. Actually ah um much of it would be um the technology will be moved away from purely weapons based technologies ah... to peace based technologies. ah and... They will be for the good of the planet versus for ah protection and for ah destruction mass... ah... there will be a few that will have weapons of mass destruction. All the weapons of mass destruction... will be done away with. And as... we... ah... they have demonstrated by that tape of Florida... UFO of how they are protect... are protecting us. So we must have that sort of ah trust that they would do that... on all levels.

Curtis : I see... wow

Michael : So that is the only way our weapons will be dismantled... you know... if we have that trust that we will never need them.

Curtis : Right

Michael : Yeah... so we're rapidly heading toward that apex right now. Which would will be a transition. um... It's not to say that they are going to come and move in with us... I don't think they really want to do anything like that. It's all like... do you want to move into mister Neanderthal's cave... no no... not really. (laughs)

NOTE: Michael expresses that the beings that he is in contact with telepathically (in his dreams and visions, etc.), those who had originally taken him to the mothership, want him to spread the message. This is what, timedrifter and I believe, is one of timedrifter's purposes as well; to spread a message of friendly, human extraterrestrial contact, and events such as the mass arrival/landing.

Curtis : And they want to tell you personally this?

Michael : an No I don't think so. I think they wanted me to get this out so that other people would know... that this is all part of a plan.

Curtis : You mean they know you are doing these recordings?

Michael : oh Yeah.

Curtis : And they think that's getting the word out? 48:22

Michael : They think that... it's part of it... part of it.

Curtis : Part of it... well some people will hear... but we don't have a lot of people listening to these recordings.

Michael : Yeah... it'll increase as time goes on. Yeah. As people want to hear me talk about things... it is best to... try to make recommendations to some of these... more well known... shows... I guess. Ya. Anyway this is early... and... ah it will be happening more and more...

Curtis : Have you had other dreams that were so vivid with these beings?

Michael : Well... the... interface with the ah the beings was not a dream first of all.

Curtis : Yes

Michael : So um... the one that is being painted was only craft... different kinds of craft. There were a few of them that were ah... were shaped like a blimp... but without ah... the tail section. Conic... not conic.. but ah cylindrical. And they had wing types and flat types and all of that was given... to my mind to paint so that's basically what I am saying I. Much of what... you know... you see from the prophet of old to coming up with... are their ability to perceive or a transmitted event. There are times in which they can directly transmit a thing to you. But this one was over a longer distance so they gave me more of a... a composite ah... sort of script to... to develope in the dream... and then empower it with very high clarity. So ah they didn't think the vision... sort of like ah... I'm going to a movie and watching a movie... it is more interactive. But it's ah... got an underlying message... and that is the message... again.

Curtis : And the underlying message is... this is occurring... and it's going to be occurring more and more. 51:15

Michael : Yes... and there will be... continued movement until it is undeniable and it will be on a scale that is probably exponential. [Emphasis mine]

Curtis : uh huh. Well that's very interesting. I wish someone could ah... ask you a question about that dream that I can't think of. I'm sure there are people out there having a question in their mind right now. But that's ah... quite amazing... so... many many craft and large different sizes diverse shapes... covering the entire sky.

Michael : Filling an... not only filling it up... ah... in terms of ah... the same altitude... there were at different altitudes... some as low as 100 feet. And of course the end was... one landing right in front of me... and ah... out they popped. They um... they wanted me to specifically say they are not going to be coming out to appear as gray aliens or whatever... they will make every effort to let people know that they are um... our types our humanoid types... that we won't... you know won't... fracture us... in our... in our... in our minds... cause us to become terribly afraid. They do reveal themselves... they will try to reveal themselves in more a more human manner. [Emphasis mine]

Curtis : Well even humans can be awful scary when you meet somebody in a dark alley or something ...

Michael : Right right

Curtis : People are afraid.

Michael : But they will be... they will be somewhat you might say... out on... you all know that they're not... from... they're alien but they look... but they won't be so alien that we can not relate.

NOTE: If timedrifter has been adamant about one detail of the mass landing, it is that we are going to see friendly, human-looking Ets stepping out of those craft.

Curtis : And you said that the craft came down and came right in front of you and...

Michael : Just landed yeah...

Curtis : ... and you spoke to being on board. 55:15

Michael : Yeah two... basically not have a choice. You know. They are not coming to visit... they are coming to get me. They showed themselves. And basically you don't have... you don't have time... to think about it.

Curtis : You mean you don't have time to think about or basically anyone they get... to communicate with.

Michael : Yeah... just about anybody that they'll... they'll interface with... of those that they're coming to get will not have much choice. You know. You either go or you don't... you know.

Curtis : Well I would imagine... a huge armada of ships in the sky... covering the sky and land and say... get on board. I think a lot of people would say no way.

Michael : Right right. There is going to be a lot of people that will say no way. Yeah they will do exactly... the opposite. They will scramble and hide and not want anything to do with it.

NOTE: Michael talks about the governments' response to what will ultimately be undeniable and it's funny how it will take this grand event to finally get our governments to admit things need to change. Timedrifter and others have talked about the Ets forcing the governments' hands, so it looks like the charade may continue until the skies are full of craft. If you've been following along, and have the foresight, you may not be one of the folks running around, terrified; but will look up and welcome contact.

Curtis : But this will ah... so were are going to see more and more of this... this year.

Michael : Yes it won't stop getting bigger until... the actual... the actual lift has taken place.

Curtis : They won't stop...

Michael : They won't... they won't get any smaller... they will get larger and larger in numbers until the lift takes place. After the lift... there will be sort of you know... a disem... disem... kind of a... governments and things like that will really becoming like... oh no... you know... it really turns the table of... their... their agenda. laughs... so...

Curtis : The government's agenda. 58:10

Michael : The governments of the world agenda. They won't know how to proceed exactly. And then they'll come a time when it will be moving toward that... the age that opens up more ah... teaching... people will be given more and more teaching and understanding and then you know all of this... um will begin to be... all of this mess that we're in right now... will be begin to dissolve away.

HELLOEARTH.INFO TRANSCRIPT SOURCE

NOTE: This conversation was continued the following Tuesday, February 26, 2008, during Michael's weekly interview. Michael recounts more details from his vision in response to a caller.

Michael : And ah... it's um... yes exactly... ah... the little ships were were very busy moving around and ah the tubular ones... the tubular... cylinder ones. They were... sort of very slow moving and they seemed to just... some where just still. They weren't crashing into each other or anything but... they... they just... were not flying all over the place... ya... the little one's were... ya that's correct. And ah... as far as a telepathic message it was... for me... it was a two way.... ah... messaging. It was very strong... as I said... um... it was so strong... that ah... as I was looking up I simply fell backwards onto the lawn and ya... I wasn't hurt or anything... But this is what had played in the vision. The power of it must have been so strong that ah... um... I actually... fell down... (? ?) being I'm... being balanced and looking up in the sky... falling back was an important thing about catching my balance it was telepathy... must... must have been very strong it terms of... a... of a that so yes there was telepathic communication at that time and I think it was ah... um... for as many people as could listen. Who would pay attention. Um...

Curtis : So during this ah... armada of ships... they were communicating with the planet before they arrived or when they arrived?

Michael : Well I believe it's a sequential event. In-other-words um... it is not the event... but... um... maybe it ended with the event. But it also... shows the sequence. So if we are people like... you know we want to see a certain sequence of events happening... yes there was a lone ship... signaling signaling signaling. And I noticed there's stuff on like ah... Linda Howe's site... and things like that... that have about these signalling patterns. You know... and ah... and ah... ah... these signalling patterns... maybe the... the beginning of that but again... I saw it in... it was broad daylight... it was not at night. And you also Curtis said you saw some signaling patterns once before right?

Curtis : Signaling patterns... oh? 4:31

Michael : Up in... as far as in the sky... at night... with ah...

Curtis : I've seen things... I don't know whether... like the last thing I saw was that green shinny ball.

Michael : Oh... yeah... there was one you said you were... ah... with the other Linda... on your patio I mean... ah... you were facing ah... the same direction and the both of you saw...

Curtis : Oh... yes... that was ah... actually that was recently... that was ah... a month or so ago.

Michael : Oh

Curtis : Well maybe two months ago.

Michael : Yes

Curtis : We saw like a squiggly line in the sky.

Michael : Right... exactly... a signaling pattern.

NOTE: Michael talks about the “Thought Adjuster”, which he's defined as, in my understanding, our direct connecting with God; with the fabric of the divine universe. This is an element present in our race that we have in common with higher, advanced races and beings, but something other races doomed for extinction lack; and something for which they resent us for, or study/experiment on us for (i.e., to utilize those experiments to continue their own search for, and connection to the source). This same Thought Adjuster will be used for beings to communicate with us telepathically during these increasing contacts. It is actually being used now.

Michael : Right. And ah... it's going to be... and that's the first event that will happen... and is happening right now and you're confirming that also Curtis. Apparently that is a very strong telepathic messages coming through... um... directly to you... sort of indirectly to you right now... through me I guess. And ah... we are on the every increasing level. And then of course there are a whole bunch of sights that will accumulate accumulate accumulate until um... ah... the grand event begins... the armada shows itself and the actual grand event begins to happen. And ah... I don't know what that is... but it will not be by surprise... in term of ah... seeing ships. Maybe in surprise to people in terms of what they are going to do... but not in terms of ah... knowing that ah... the ships themselves are ah... running around and ah... not simply a myth.

Curtis : So this communication with the Earth when this happens... is this going to be... broadcast on all television all radio at the same time... or is it just going to be thought adjusters or...?

Michael : Telepathic... you mean by thought adjuster would be telepathic.

Curtis : Telepathic 7:11

Michael : Yes... um... I know that will be ah... definitely you know as far as true... the thought adjuster to the common communication... ah... web you might say. The fabric of... ah... deity that ah... is the Universe... yeah and again the fabric of deity that is the Universe is the thought adjuster interface saying that we will somewhat be able to understand but um... as far as ah... broadcaster TV will be by our own hands... which will be the most credible way to do it. It is not like... um... hello Earth... ah... you know this is the Grand Galactic Federation of Universal beings... we want to invite you home. I don't think that will be an event that will happen. It could easily do that... um... without... you know... they shut down our reactors... like my goodness you know... they can shut down our nuclear missile sights you know.

Curtis : Yes 8:31

Michael : First they could... you know... go on... ha... go on a... ah... the radio... um... we've got enough ah... people trying to listen to that. Two actually but groups that are listening for ah... extraterrestrial signals. Of course using radio frequency and ah... the problem with radio frequency is that... it is a propagated signal. In-other-words there is an origin and a destination it is like sending a ah... sending a...a ah... a ah... a message down the currents of... you know... of a river... a stream that's got a fixed ah... velocity... verses ah... the near instant communication of a... of a um... of the ah... you might say the universal web... of ah... the universal fabric. I'm not sure how to describe it but... it's how telepathy works also.

NOTE: Michael describes another related vision he had just prior to phoning in to talk to Curtis for this show. The vision, Michael says, describes our awakening in a different way.

Michael : That is probably... as you become aware... and you've been made aware just simply by... you know... just being made aware... of the thought adjuster... you begin to ah... become... you start noticing that... it really is happening a lot more. Simply because you're more in tune. You're moving... you're making your progress in your seven physic circles... toward ah... the innermost... the number one. And ah... yeah... that's what happens. So yep... I think... as far as those two questions are concerned... we're looking at ya... that happening although... um... I did have ah... just before this... we got on the... about... let me see what time was it... about an hour an a half ago... no two hours ago... I did see... I have a... a waking vision... a waking vision... ah... happened to be... a little bit symbolic very symbolic. And what I saw was ah... a tail like figure... but it was not a living thing it was sort of a construct. And it was covering... well I didn't know what it was covering... but... it... there seemed to be covering or masking you know like a tail of a... ah... a piece like ah... similar to an alligator's tail. Except it... it didn't seem like that it looked more like paper... made out of paper.

So it could be a paper dragon you might say. A paper dragon ah... was ah... wagging... you know... wagging his tail over something. And then... um... something broke lose and... like a flood of natural... beautiful horses... just thousands and thousands of horses started just being... coming out from under this paper dragon tail. And um... it seemed like a dam breaking... it looked like a dam breaking. But what happened with that was ah... ah... all these beautiful horses which were natural living beautiful brown... they were all brown... same horse... brown horses. Just... ah... moving... they didn't look like wild horses. But they were young and healthy looking and they all seemed to flow out there... just literally just thousands and thousands and thousands of 'em just flowing out coming out from under this paper dragon tail. And ah... it does have some meaning and I think I'll be bringing out some that meaning now...

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Michael : laughs. Yeah... what I am trying... try not to take these things too seriously but... what I am about to say is that there is a whole bunch of liberty that is going to be taking place. And the constructs that have been trying to control the masses of ah... God's beautiful creatures who we are... and who are well on our way to a grand journey are really... shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free... I mean you'll be as free as free indeed. And the truth is there is many constructs that have been used... ah... to try control... to control... ah... us... and created by... a lot of it created by ourselves. Do you think so?

Curtis : Oh yes... we ah... we are our own worst enemies by not having... ah the ability to think for ourselves. 15:00

Michael : laughs... We actually do... have a lot a... you know... that's what... I remember... um... um... O-Nee-Sayer... Nela saying to me that... you're not... you're not dumb... you're not stupid... you're... you're... you know... wise beyond belief you know...

Curtis : yes

Michael : ... you're beyond yourself... you don't know how much you really have. And you know... to keep people in the dark... or keep people under the construct of... supposed... this a... civilized ah... ah... method of control... um...

Curtis : Controlling the masses.

Michael : Yeah... I mean... but the masses really... are held there... just by... paper and there's a lot of paper that makes it up. There become legal papers... or financial papers... it's all paper... right?

Curtis : a hum

Michael : And it's... right now we're wagging our tail... it's just wagging its tail at us you know. And we have some problems with ah... the grand financial ah... markets right now. And a... they are ah... lets say ah... not doing the best right now... laughs. But ah... they're other things you know having to do with the construct... the paper construct of controlling masses of... One of the symbols that I love is the free horse. Did you ever see free horses?

Curtis : Three horses...

Michael : Not penned up horses but free... they're they're up... they got a... you know they've got a pasture that they don't care?...

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Curtis : You were saying the horses running free in the pasture?

Michael : Yeah... they are beautiful aren't they?

Curtis : Yes they're magnificent animals.

Michael : Right. But have you ever seen them tied up in a corral?

Curtis : Yes 17:14

Michael : They're not quite as magnificent.

NOTE: Michael begins to go into an analogy from an event he says occurred during World War II, involving something he calls a Cargo Cult. The short version is that these isolated islanders had American troops dropping supplies, etc., from planes, down to them during this war. After the war, all of the troops left, but the islanders ended up sort of worshipping them, relinquishing their own previously held religious beliefs.

Michael uses this analogy to inject reason into what could turn out being a similar circumstance for those coming into contact with advanced technology/beings. In our case, with regard to the mass arrival, Michael in no way says this worshipping will be encouraged; but it may be a reaction to things never before seen.

Timedrifter talks about individuals taking these open contact events and beings as religious figures, only to have the beings themselves, with good humor, correct people and tell them there is nothing religious about this.

Michael : Right. Well anyway that's the kind of feeling I got when I saw all of this. So the message is... we are about... on a... on a... on a... on the cusp of this grand liberty happening and some of the construct is also... I sent you some of that stuff on Cargo Cult for a purpose...goods and services and things like that... that were... supposedly be brought in artificially... ah began to... be brought to their... their other means later on. And the cult of course was documented as being a... the way of humanity reacting towards ah... jumps in... culture... sudden jumps in technology and culture and the way things are. And we are about to receive such a jump. But were not suppose to end up becoming like... creating a... another kind of a... crazy crazy worshiper...what's happening right now... there's there's a type of worship that is going on which is ah... you know just this ah... following of... of UFOs and ideas.

Like UFOs... extraterrestrials. And then this other following which just um... tries to displace it as myth... and um... and ah... actually trying to displace the actual ah following or reasoning behind it. But ah... what happens is... um... it's all part of the churning and shaking... which is going to break forth more and more truth. I can see... one of the grand truths that will be... ah... brought forth... and ah... given... um... a new place in understanding is ah... the concept of a... of a Jesus Christ having to be crucified and killed... you know... to get rid of our sins. And ah... what had happened was... is that... this is ah... archaic... ah... teaching that was passed on from a long long time before Christ even was around. And it was passed into the Hebrew doctrine. But it had its roots in a medical procedure.
Curtis... did you ever go to the doctor and you wondered what's wrong with you... and do you need a physical... and what is the first thing they do?

Curtis : Check your temperature. 22:32

Michael : Check your temperature... start probing you... and take your blood right?

Curtis : Take your blood.

Michael : Yeah... there is a teaching believe-it-or-not which is centered toward scripture... and it says without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

Curtis : Um

Michael : And ah... without... it was somewhat perverted into meaning that... Jesus Christ when he became a human being he had to get murdered... to save the human race... or people... but it really didn't mean that. It meant that... there was a procedure that happened a long time ago... and people were checking into their blood was tested and they were looking... you know they were making sure you had a healthy group of... human beings propagating out into the rest of the planet Earth. Which eventually ah... I suppose was to create a wonderful planet but it all kind of... came to a... a ah... end when the... a... the... the... I guess the interference was stopped. And ah... ended up with somewhat... you know... like a Cargo Cult.

...

Michael : Yeah... they are all about the same timing. So what I am looking at is this... our planet was worked with definitely. And ah... there are...the same types of beings that I met... and I functioned with. And they also looked into my... they looked into something... their panel... they were pleased with what they found. And I... I don't think they found all kinds of super spiritual stuff. I think they were just looking at some of the basis... of what... of where they could map ah... my DNA or my ah... my background coming from ancient the archaic times. And see the blend that was there. And ah... this is important as far as our mortal beings.

But also the fact that what was more important was... but really what Christ did really come and Jesus did or ah... the creator son ah... come to Earth to do... was to finish his... visits... his...being with all of his creation. Of course... you know... um any individual when he becomes individual... he can't be at all places at one time and he'd have to make a choice so he chose planet Earth. And this place... he developed a sort of a... demonstration of truth. Come to know it... come to know it and you'll be free. Like all these horses coming out from under this paper dragon tail. Trying to control. So... this truth is that... we really are...suppose to know... how to listen to our thought adjusters.

We're suppose to know that... but it has been hidden from us. And we've simply need to turn toward... ah... the thought adjuster and once we do... that would be pointing toward the first source... God the first source... that's the... that's my big question which... you know... I... I stood in my back lawn screaming my heart out in terms of ah... ah... God making himself real... sending someone with knowledge or making... saying it was real. So that turning towards was very important. It turning me toward understanding the present day um... religions of the world. Each one containing a bit of truth... yet not having the whole of it. So there is a certain mystique that will easily be cleared up. Sort of like how... you know... if you saw... if you came into a position where you saw these Cargo Cult guys... and you said... we've got to give them the full story. And then you give them the full story... and then they go oh... that is what was happening all all along... laughs. And it is pretty much... this is what's been happening for these thousands of years. But for a good amount of time the thought adjuster was hidden. The concept was kept away. People tried to create these carvings of these... ah... ways to communicate to God. And you know... they gave them to the hands of supposedly these priestly guys who knew something more. And they did know... and then they began to pervert their teachings to keep control of the masses and that was the paper dragon's tail... whatever form it took. So...

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Michael : We're coming to a point where we're going to see a great amount of liberty happening... a lot of freedom in understanding and death is not the end of things... physical death. It's... it was so... it was so simple and so... um... unimportant...

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Michael : ...Take... you always need to take time out to... to tune yourself in and um... build your soul. And um... there was a teaching... ah... about... ah... Jesus... you know... trying to get this message across... and the one I am talking about now. And ah... this particular guy was a pretty good farmer. And I said what are you going to do with the rest of your life... you know... if you're... you're kept continuing on succeeding the way you are? He said... all heck... I'll build bigger barns... and I'll get greater fields and I'll... you know... I'll just keep expanding my business. And I said you're a fool. Don't you know... that this day your soul is going to be ah... required of you... what have you made of it? You know. Is that... is that how you are going to navigate eternity... being... you know... a terrestrial farmer? You know. That just wants to get a bigger and bigger farm.

Curtis : uh hum 48:56

Michael : Um... you know. Actually he called him a fool. laughs. Basically stupid idiot... don't you realize that... you've been working on the wrong project.

Curtis : uh hum

Michael : And that... that project of course is good... it is suppose to give you time... and then you get your time... and so you can take that and lean back in your chair and get a tuned to the fabric of... of... of real construction. You know... so that you can become a... a real... a real busy servant. Actually that's... what they same like in up there in New Jerusalem... the mothership if you want to call it that.

Curtis : uh hum

Michael : They are really busy up there. Seems like they... and they're happy... very happy doing it... and they have a direct (? ?) purpose.

Curtis : And you saw these young brown horses.

Michael : Beautiful beautiful animals set free

Curtis : Set free.

Michael : Set free. Going out like a river of life... just flowing out all alive and beautiful galloping away. All... you know indigenous... when they left... the... some underneath the tail... ah... they left in all directions.

Curtis : Oh 50:51

Michael : It just... they didn't all follow one leader... it just... went in all directions and just filled the site as far as I could see which was somewhat restricted... you know I didn't have a horizon to see... I was looking at... what appeared to be an elevation of about 40 feet high.

Curtis : So you felt you were about 40 feet high looking down at this...

Michael : Looking down at this thing... what I initially saw was his tail which... you know... I've already got the interpretation out about what it was but...

Curtis : And how long did this last for you?

Michael : About as long as it took to describe it. That's pretty long... you know.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : Yeah... and um... it is nice to have them because they're... they're um... it is like looking at a movie screen... except you can see through the screen. And when I close my eyes it gets much clearer... yet when I open my eyes I still can see it. Yeah.

Curtis : I see.

Michael : So it is nice... I think it was meant to be said today.

Curtis : Oh before we went on today.

Michael : Yeah yeah... so that it would come up... come... be as fresh for everyone as it is for me.
Curtis : I see... and you would call this...

Michael : That is why I say I'm... I'm nobody special... you know... I don't need to become famous... it's just a message that needs to be... said... and everybody should start picking up the same messages soon... you know.

Curtis : hum... Well that's really interesting that they would want you to... say this today.

Michael : oh ya... maybe. Huh. You're gone a... you know... do you understand it... of course... it's going to go out... your... your service... you know... you're part of the service.

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Modern science asserts that any alterations (i.e., jumping backward or forward) to a timeline automatically creates a new timeline; an offshoot. The accuracy of this assertion would be extremely difficult to ascertain.

However, the author of this article, based on the individuals' experiences, suggests that alterations remain on the same timeline and don't create alternate, or additional timelines.

The author's position seems to be based on the fact that these individuals actually experience a jump, or anomaly, indicating that they have experienced just such an alteration. If they had jumped to a new timeline, I'm sure the author reasons, they would not have a lapse, or a glitch in their experience.

The author suggests, however, that, because the victims of these experiences describe individuals visiting their home prior to these incidents, posing as agents from Homeland Security, that the victims may have been targeted for some sort of experiment. If this is true, could this experiment have been to test technology that alters time without creating a new timeline (i.e., a test to see if one timeline could be altered an infinite number of times until the desired outcome was acheived)?

It is interesting to note that many contactees/abductees claim to have had visits from sinister folks who claim to be from such-and-such government organization when it was clear the visitors were "not from around here". This typically happens after credible sightings are reported, or a contact/abduction occurs. The fact that none of these sorts of events are described as having happened to the individuals in this article makes the first case, in particular, very curious.

If this is in fact happening, the question arises as to who has access to this technology, and what their purpose is for using it. Episodes of deja vu, those described in the article below, and those indicated in my March 19, 2008 article (further below), seem to indicate that someone could be playing with our timeline.

Whether it is the same group or not is up for argument. What is more concerning is the question of how long it has been going on, and if it has been for the betterment, or to the detriment of our race.

Three Time Jump Events With THree Witnesses

March 4, 2008

TIME JUMP EVENT 1

I received the following email from a lady named Linda who lives in Rochester, Minnesota. In a telephone interview with her on Feb. 29, 2008 a number of interesting facts came to light. During the telephone interview Linda came across as a highly intelligent, mature and rational individual who has at least one adult child which she spoke about. Linda has given me permission to relate two time jump events in this report. Her email message to me is shown below exactly as I received it (minus her personal information):

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Ted,

Feb. 29th, 2008 at 11:00:10 am CST I experienced a strange thing. I got in a car accident. It was so weird because it was like a jump in time and space ­ I was not at intersection and then suddenly in the middle of the intersection colliding with another vehicle. I can't explain it ­ but it was so weird that I went online and found your website. My question is was there anything that happened on 2-29-2008 at 11:00:10 am CST? The officer at the accident said that there were several accidents all that happened at the same time and she thought it was weird.

Linda

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Linda provided me her telephone number and I called her to obtain more information. (Note - I do not normally telephone readers.) In the telephone interview with Linda, several new facts were revealed about her experiences on Feb. 29, 2008 which I'll summarize below:

* Her husband is a software engineer with a Fortune 1000 computer company. A computer he was working on was unplugged from the wall at the time of her accident and was also disassembled.

* Late in the afternoon, her husband plugged in the computer he had rebuilt and turned it on. The clock on the screen had the correct time before it was disassembled, which it should now be showing on the screen. Computer motherboards continue to keep time for many years by using a small lithium battery mounted on the motherboard. However, when the computer was turned on again the screen clock displayed exactly 11:00AM. This was the WRONG time ­it was SLOW by about 5 HOURS.

--- The computer's clock was displaying the EXACT time of the accident ­ 11:00AM. ---

If the computer's clock chip had stopped functioning, wasn't properly initialized, was reset because of a dead battery, then it would have probably displayed 12:00AM. Technically, the chances that the clock would show 11:00AM are no less than 1 out of 1,440.

* At the time of the accident Linda called 911 on her cell phone. An officer who responded to the accident scene stated that they had a number of car accidents like this around the city that day, all occurring at about the same time. This same officer told also told Linda that it was very strange this was happening.

* Linda also experienced some other after-effects of her apparent time jump. This is a common problem experienced by many involved in time jump events.

A BRIEF SUMMARY

Both Linda's strange accident and her husband's experience on the same day appear to further support for an actual time jump. One might dismiss her accident as the result of being preoccupied and not paying attention to driving. However, I find this is unlikely for two important reasons:

Linda has owned her new car for just 5 days. Adults are particularly careful when driving their new vehicle for many months to come.

Events of her husband's experience with the computer's clock appear to connect with Linda's experience at the same date and time of the vehicle accident she had for reasons that remain unexplained.

A number of days prior to the vehicle accident, men from Homeland Security had paid Linda's husband a visit. They used a story about checking out their former neighbor, but then these same men also spent some time looking in and around her husband's vehicle. They did not talk to any of the other neighbors but simply left. The question arises ­ were these men actually from Homeland Security, or from a covert government agency sizing them up for a time experiment or a test of a new weapon? There is a known history for more than fifty years of the government selecting people at random for "experiments."

Prior to Feb. 29th, one of Linda's car keys came up missing. Her purse was stolen from her LOCKED vehicle, then according to police, "it was found in a snow-bank." Yet no valuables were stolen from the purse. A missing vehicle key was later found placed on top of the dashboard.

WAS LINDA AND HER HUSBAND TEST SUBJECTS FOR A NEW WEAPON?

Facts about this event may be evidence that a new powerful weapon has been developed to alter space-time in a confined area. It may be that Linda and her husband were among those chosen pseudo- randomly to be unwilling participants in a field test. It may be a new quantum weapon. Some of the other drivers around the city who had accidents on Feb. 29th, 2008 may have been part of an experimental test as well, and this may have been the actual cause of many other vehicle accidents. The rare appearance by agents of Homeland Security adds additional credence to this possibility. Is it possible everything in Linda's time jump story is mere coincidence? After listening to consistent, intelligent and complete answers while interviewing Linda I feel she is a credible witness. She did not hesitate to answer any of my questions with rational, complete answers. It also appears that the incident her husband experienced was also real.

TIME JUMP EVENT 2

A few years ago, Linda was in a ramp garage and they were looking for a parking space. After driving up a couple levels in the garage they came upon a truck with a number of bumper stickers which they were trying to read. At the corner of one turn there was a nice blue sports car which was backed into a parking spot. Linda stated that the license plate was an easy one for her to remember. I will use the generic name "Jones" here to protect the vehicle owner's identity, although the actual name was that of a celestial body in our solar system.

Linda stated, "I remembered this sports car and its license plate because I thought my husband would look good driving it."

They continued driving upward to another level looking for a parking spot. There on the next level in exactly the same parking spot, was the same blue sports car again with the same license plate. Astounded at seeing this again, they quickly went back down one level to look for the car. The car wasn't there, and neither was the truck with the stickers.

What happened? Did they make a wrong turn, or see a glimpse into the future of a car parked up on the next level above?

ALTERED PHOTO ­ TIME JUMP EVENT 3

Kevin Smith is a highly trained reliable witness, former police officer and radio show host. He was sent around the world to train and set up police departments. This part of the report is given with Kevin's permission. He too, is a fellow explorer into the unknown depths of the universe.

On March 1st 2008 I spoke to Kevin off-air about a moon photo. Recently, NASA had obtained new images of the Moon's South Pole using a new radar technique by using NASA's Goldstone radio- telescope array configured as a high resolution radar system:

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Radar image from NASA's website at original size downloaded on March 2nd 2008. NASA's image name is "New radar imagery of the lunar south pole" [3]

The photo below shows a close-up of a "+" shaped structure in the center of a large crater (red arrow) which appears to be of artificial construction:

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Above photo shows a structure in a crater at the South Pole of the Moon. I have added the red and blue arrows to Kevin's original photo shown here. [1]

There are visible in the above image a number of objects, some of which are semi-circular in shape. Some of these objects can be seen just to the left of the "+" structure near the center of the crater. Even more remarkable is that literally overnight, an almost perfect blackened square of pixels appeared (see red arrow) that was NOT present when Kevin first obtained the image from NASA on the afternoon of March 1st 2008, the black square was not present. There are also artifacts visible in this image that may be the result of JPEG image compression. These are indicated by blue arrows and are not the result of image editing. However, these video artifacts are not the issue here.

Just a few hours later on the evening of March 1st 2008, Kevin noticed that the black square had appeared at the base of the "+" object. When I asked Kevin if he had looked at other image files to confirm these also had changed, he stated that these images had also changed as well. Kevin noted that this event reminded him of what I observed with the Spirit and Opportunity rover sundials, which I wrote about on rense.com a short time ago and discussed on Kevin's radio show. This incident with the rovers was also another "past changed event" when the sundial on each rover suddenly displayed a gear-like structure around the base of each sundial post that was NOT present in original images.

Sundial images from Mars and Earth originally did not show the gear- like object.

These images were obtained in 2005 from both NASA and University of Cornell file servers. In that case of time alteration, all digital copies of my book with images of the sundial, as well as printed copies of the book were all changed too. Three other witnesses familiar with the sundial's design also testified to me that the sundial did not originally have this gear-like structure.

It appears that someone traveled back in time and altered reality. In the case of the crater on the Moon, perhaps either the original image was altered by NASA to hide something after Kevin brought it to public attention - or something else was changed backward in time at the structure on the Moon. This alteration would need to take place before the radar image was taken in the first place, hence the alteration which suddenly appeared in the radar image.

OTHER SUPPORTING DATA EXISTS

Some time ago, a part of my research included examining images from an imaging satellite named Clementine. Some of the images the satellite captured were of the South Pole on the Moon. Clementine was sent to the moon in the mid-1990s to image and map the entire surface. From my data archives I have extracted an image from a much larger NASA Clementine image which shows the same crater as that in Kevin's recent radar image.

Note - the NASA website "www.starbase.jpl.nasa.gov" no longer exists from which the Clementine photo was downloaded. This is an interesting website URL to say the least.

Below is a side by side comparison I have made of Kevin's radar image with another image from the Clementine survey satellite. Keep in mind that the radar image (below, left) is claimed by NASA to have a resolution of 20 meters/pixel, while the Clementine image on the right has a resolution of 200 meters/pixel. Therefore there will be differences in the level of detail we see in each image:

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RECENT NASA RADAR IMAGE [1] CLEMENTINE SATELLITE IMAGE [2]

Explanation of added graphics

* Orange circled areas ­ show two reference points to be sure this is the correct crater in the Clementine image:

1. In the lower left corner, we see that there is smaller crater's rim which touches the larger crater. The straight-sided geometry along part of the top edge of the smaller crater (orange circle, lower left corner) matches in both images.

2. The top of both images (orange circle near center-top) have what appears to be a feature similar like a valley or road. There is little doubt that both of these images are of the same crater.

* Yellow boxed area ­ in the higher resolution radar map on the left, we see what appears to be a chain of small objects. This isn't likely to be a resolution issue with the radar image like a form of pixilation taking place, because of the high 20 meters/ pixel resolution. In the Clementine photo these separate objects appear as one darkened line.

* White arrow ­ points to what appears to be a defect in the digital Clementine image. This is similar to a defect in a photographic print, such as the result of a damaged photographic negative. However, this image was supposedly obtained only in digital form.

With all of this established, we can now focus on the "+" structure in the center of the crater. BOTH images have the same orientation Lunar North and South. I did not rotate either image. The radar image appears slightly stretched vertically. However, the structure in the center of the crater is not angularly oriented the same in both images. How the angular placement of the '+" object could change is unknown. That is, unless it isn't a building but instead it's a movable object.

KEVIN'S PHOTO DEFECT THAT APPEARED OVERNIGHT

If we enlarge both images equally by 150%, the blackened area appears to be more than large enough to be within the resolution of the Clementine image. And yet we do NOT see this same black area on the older Clementine image:

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SUMMARY

To be able to find actual photographic evidence like this showing an alteration in time is a first that I know of for an object like this. The difference in angular orientation of this structure in the bottom of the crater between the two images remains unexplained. However, the blackened area pointed to by the red arrow indicates what changed overnight.

In the case of the auto accident described earlier, we know that this also happened. The computer's motherboard clock was apparently somehow frozen at the same time of the accident, as indicated by the time displayed when the machine was turned on again some hours later.

WHY WE CAN SEE THINGS CHANGE IN TIME

Our human minds exist OUTSIDE of space-time because they are non- physical. Because of this, we know what the actual past history of anything familiar to us is supposed to be. Everything including images in computers and everything else which is physical all around us will be instantly altered, if someone returns to the past and changes an object. These examples in this report and other examples, have given us an important breakthrough in physics. Time travel is also a scary technology, because tinkering with time can have, and will have, completely unexpected consequences. If computer modeling is being trusted to predict every known possibility, it will be found to be imperfect. In the end it will ultimately be disastrous.

Contemporary physics theory states that changing the past does not change the future, but will only create a new timeline. Examples presented in this report prove this theory is certainly not true. We have already seen that a change in the past instantly changes our present. Time changes will subsequently change the future as well in ways which are impossible to predict or model in any computer.

The mere fact that I've connected these and other time events together will create unforeseen changes, hopefully for the better. We must not doubt ourselves or anything we see change in the reality which is all around us. Just because we cannot explain something changed in the present certainly does not mean that it cannot happen. Incidents in this report and other on-going examples not covered here show us that reality may not really be what it appears to be.

There are additional observations on time changes and jumps from other witnesses. When Data4Science.net website completes the addition of a special section on time jumps and time shifts, these and other events will also be revealed.

RENSE.COM ARTICLE SOURCE]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=298 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:05:05 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=297
Enjoy!!

http://www.ufotimetravel.com/video/]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=297 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:16:13 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=296 Far Above Space and Time" (F.A.S.T.), provides some recent, very compelling footage from NASA's own cameras of near Earth objects, which are clearly NOT stars.

Who are these folks flying high overhead? And why hasn't NASA cued us in on this heavy, orbital traffic?

The first video shows the latest craft captured by Walson, as well as some stunning NASA footage.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

The second video shows another "ship", videotaped with Walson's 12" telescope and video equipment.



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

Walson's footage is also being discussed in an article series at Rense.com called "Mystery Space Machines" of which this most recent footage is added as Part 11.

It seems you can't swing a dead cat these days without hitting an authentic ufo. So when are these folks planning to drop down and say hi?]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=296 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:04:16 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=294 I spoke about the mysterious interview in NYC back in 1997 or 1998.

uf0 12 renato - Broadcast your self LIVE]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=294 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:49:50 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=293 ]]> Video http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=293 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:59:23 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=292
It is my belief, and it is a shared belief, that we are seeing ET contact in the form of strange lights and seemingly terrestrial craft, on a rapidly growing scale. You cannot predict how contact with other civilizations is going to take place - IT IS HAPPENING NOW.

In a video posted on March 9, 2008, theufokid has captured one of the many aircraft I believe are flying over my own area just outside Washington, DC.

How many lights should an aircraft of this type have? Open your eyes!!

SCREENSHOT

theufokid-plane

YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

Another poster at Youtube, calling himself "FrozenHill" (Michael Lee Hill) has produced a number of videos from his area around Lake Erie. His videos are authentic. One of his local news stations, CBS ACTION 19 News, broadcast one of Michael Lee Hill's videos only to have their computer crash during the broadcast.

Again, on January 22, 2008, that same news station broadcast the following video of Michael's,



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

Here is FrozenHill's (Micahel Lee Hill) YOUTUBE PAGE

There are three other posters at Youtube currently offering some of the best footage to date.

One such poster, calling herself "ever2020", has posted many authentic ufo videos to Youtube, as well as the following video of a self-illuminated object that hung on a bush until it started to rain,

SCREENSHOT

ever2020-bush

YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

MORE VIDEOS ADDED APRIL 5, 2008

India UFO footage uploaded to Youtube March 5, 2008 (below)



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The video below is a clip from a Fox News report on NASA's 2006 STS-115 mission where the ufos AND the inane and unacceptable observations of the NASA spokespersons were aplenty.

First, here is a grab of the Fox News footage, which just so happens to show the "debris" floating at approximately the same speed as the shuttle (17,000 mph) in a perfect equilateral triangle formation. Debris? I think not.

FOX NEWS SCREENSHOT



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

This next video is from the same STS-115 mission, and shows a nearly translucent, triangle shaped "light ship" (for lack of a better term), observing the fuel tank as is orbits the earth.

fuel tank screenshot



YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK

UFOMEDIA.COM has an excellent series of videos from this same mission.

There are a couple of other posters at Youtube who are capturing some more amazing videos on a consistent basis. Here is a list of everyone at Youtube providing the most compelling and frequent ufo uploads:

taralynnnn
ever2020
FrozenHill
FUTUREQUAKE
theufokid
chencf
SlikAsShit

Something to note, typically when individuals have credibility, and are having authentic experiences - especially with evidence to back it up, these individuals are often harassed on the message boards, or whatever website they have posted information.

The more these individuals receive harassing messages, have their websites or screennames hijacked or hacked (i.e., the more negative attention they seem to be receiving) you can rest assured they are on to something.

Pay close attention to what these individuals have to share. You are seeing history in the making.

And most of all, if you want to see for yourself, just look to the skies. Contrary to popular belief, there is not a hostile takeover unfolding. There is a peaceful program of open contact. And it is coming to a city near you.]]> General http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=292 Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:14:06 -0300 http://dimebagnyc.com/utt/index.php?itemid=291 THE BENJAMIN ULTIMATUM:

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3
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The consensus within the groups talking about these timeline creations and manipulations is that these timelines coexist and branch out. At times, however, it is said that they can cross over, or merge.

Something along these lines is being discussed in a message board thread entitled, "On The 10th of March You Will See The Start of Things To Come......" at Godlikeproductions.com.

A poster calling himself Majestic has claimed that events that have occurred over the last week or so have placed our timeline solidly on a track with a positive outcome for our planet and race. One that will not involve all sorts of nefarious and dangerous programs, presumably carried out by the small, self-serving group that controls and hoards the information and resources of this planet.

The thread is an interesting one. However, on page 83 of that thread, to better illustrate this idea of timeline distortion, a member posted a link to an article wherein the deaths of Jack Palance and Arthur C. Clarke are discussed - their deaths years ago, and their second deaths more recently(?),

Jack Palance Died Several Years Ago (So Did Arthur C. Clarke)

Last Friday the news reported that Jack Palance had died. My first thought was, "didn't he die a couple of years ago?" I liked Palance. I grew up with Ripley's Believe It or Not and thought he was great in anything that I saw him in. I clearly remembered hearing several years ago Jack Palance had died. Despite having a clear recollection of this previous event I passed it off as a figment of my imagination. Recently, however, I discovered many other people having the same feeling.

Performing a search on Google for "jack palance already died" will turn up a surprising number of people who are sharing the same sentiments. Although most people, like I did, pass it off as just one of "those things." Many of the people who have commented on this have made comments that would infer that they did not assume that he was already dead, but that they remember him having died.

Several people, can actually put a specific time-frame to it: shortly after the 2004 Oscars where he performed his astounding one-handed push ups.

Furthermore, in poking around on various forums I cam across a comment from someone who had something similar happen to him or her regarding the death, or non-death, of Arthur C. Clarke. This person was surprised to learn that Arthur C. Clarke was indeed still alive. I too was surprised, and shocked, to learn that my favorite author was still alive.

I happen to have a very vivid recollection of reading the story on BBC News. I recall the manner in which he died (peacefully in his sleep, no heart attack, just old age), Parliament issuing a statement calling for a National Day of Mourning, and the fact that he was going to be buried in Sri Lanka, not England.

Finding all of this amazing I consulted a friend. When I told him of many people recalling Jack Palance's previous death he wasn't too interested. However, when I mentioned Arthur C. Clarke's (non)death he because interested because he too has that recollection. I emailed several other friends with vague questions, trying to gauge whether or not other people may have thought the same thing. I was careful not to lead them. Three people responded immediately:

* One person didn't have any unusual reactions.
* One was certain that Arthur C. Clarke was currently dead and was surprised to learn that he was not. He was not surprised when he learned of Palance's recent death though.
* One was certain that both men had died several years ago. He did not hear of Palance's recent death, and was very surprised to learn of that and the fact that Arthur C. Clarke was indeed still alive. this person can also remember the same time-frame that others mentioned regarding Jack Palance's first death.

Certianly that was an unscientific poll and it proves nothing, but when put into context with the hundreds of comments on the net it does help to establish a pattern. The pattern is that there have been two "realities" co-existing. To establish whether or not these "realities" are a product of imaginations or a product of quantum irregularities will be difficult. We can speculate mass-hysteria and mistaken identities, or perhaps time-shifts and parallel universes. But it would be great to hear from other people who have experienced similar things, specifically with these two people.

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So the question becomes, did these two individuals actually die twice? And if so, are these the sorts of events that we can expect to experience as a manifestation of the unprecedented timeline activity of late?

I have read accounts of people seeing other people disappear before their eyes, as well as other accounts of anomalies similar to those above. Timedrifter and many others are convinced of the reality of timeline changes, so maybe the rest of us are actually getting a taste of what a phenomena like that really looks like...

Here is a discussion on timeline oddities, like those discussed above, from the Godlike Productions message board forum. This excerpt is from a thread entitled, "Another Timeline Oddity....", which was started January 17, 2005, and continues to the present with the dead of Arthur C. Clarke.

People are paying attention. Here is a post from March 20, 2008 (page 10),

ernest borgnine died: now he´s ALIVE
jack palance died: now he´s ALIVE
captain kangaroo died twice
katherine hepburn died twice
abe vigoda died a long time ago, he´s alive, but people mag. did erroneously report his death back in ´92, so that may explain it.
i remember when mickey rooney died, they made a big deal about it, but now he´s making commercials.
it´s a parallel timeline.

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I wanted to share what a poster calling himself "Ragnarok" posted at the Book of Thoth member forums. Ragnarok claims to be in contact with a collective energy/higher intelligence with whom he engages in some sort of channeled dialog.

On December of last year (2007) Ragnarok shared the details of a conversation he had with an entity/energy he calls Adamu. Ragnarok has come to refer to Adamu as the monadic personality of the Pleiadian soul collective (naturally). I offer the details of that exchange, as well as the follow up questions.

Hi Adamu

Hello Arn

I’d like to ask you something that has come up from one of the forums I am on.
Very well. Continue.

Thanks. I have read about a thing called chem-trails. Is this a concept with which you are familiar?
Oh yes. Very familiar. We are watching your planet very carefully remember. From many, many perspectives. Right now there is MUCH afoot by way of preparations for a singularity event of quite some consequence. I talk, of course, of the event know to you as the 2012 shift – which is a whole other topic of conversation on its own. I raise it now simply to set the context. We, the people that you will call “Pleiadian”, are a spirit collective. We have, from within our collective, numerous ones incarnated on planet earth right now. Almost all of them do not know that they are anything other than “normal human beings”. Some begin to wake but most are, to the best of their own awareness, the same as all other humans. But THEIR awareness notwithstanding, they are a part of us and what is known and observed by them is immediately made available to that our consciousness: the “Pleiadian over-soul” of which I am the monadic personality. So, I may précis all that and simply say “what they know, I know”. And there is more. I have within my consciousness other personalities with another perspective: these ones inhabit a subtler reality than your own. In this subtler density there are a good number of our craft in the area surrounding your own planet. They are there in preparation for the events which will unfold over the next few earth-years. I won’t speak more now of what they do but I will say they observe most carefully the actions on your planet of that which you would call the military and they observe with even keener interest the actions of other beings of the subtler densities of a more negative polarity. All this is, for the time being, under observation. Occasionally action IS undertaken. But this is not what we discuss now. I simply state that we are VERY aware.

Okay. Thanks. So then what are these chem.-trails?
This is a huge topic. Very convoluted. I am concerned that you will struggle to correctly interpret such a quantity of convoluted and often highly complex material. The subject is also highly technical and I am concerned that the requisite concepts are not available in your mind for us to have a satisfactory conversation. I will endeavor to give broad-strokes and brief outlines, so please be aware that this is what I am doing. Others with greater knowledge of this field may read this material and find it lacking in certain details and this will be the reason.

Alright. Got it. So the techno-lite version. What is in the chemtrails?
These are a variety of materials that are dispersed at altitude. At this point in your time-line it is a very experimental endeavor and a variety of different substances and compounds are being tested to see how they perform and what effects can be achieved. As there are numerous different desired outcomes and applications there are naturally a variety of different substances which are being tested.

I can see how this subject suddenly gets quite complex. So then maybe you can tell me who is doing this?
Your military. Not the entire planets’, though. An alliance known to you as NATO is involved. It is lead by the US military with assistance in European nations from their military structures. Mostly, by the way of high-level permissions being given for these activities to be undertaken. Other groupings also experiment but not in this way.

So this stuff is being sprayed out of military planes?
Yes. Specialized aircraft with the correct tankering and spraying equipment on board are spraying the various materials into the atmosphere.

Okay. So you say there are various applications. Can you tell me some of them?
From our observations it appears that one of the most urgently pursued avenues is an attempt to build an ionizable shield.

Explain please?
Think in term of microscopically thin metal filaments. You are familiar with the concept of nanotechnology? You have heard of applications of filaments on the nano-scale? Well if one releases nanofilaments of metallic compounds into the upper atmosphere these fibers may remain suspended there for long periods of time. But in this state they are chaotic. One can think of metal filings on a plate. They simply lie around in an unorganized way. But when one places a magnet under the plate they form up into patterns, correct?

Yes,we did this as kids. So what do they use as a magnet on these fibers in the sky?
No, not a magnet. Ionization is the key. This concept I do not feel I can convey to you. Please simply understand that the correct application of high-power, high frequency transmissions can cause these filaments to line up in an organized fashion. They go from being a random cloud to being and organized shell.

Ah! So you spray the stuff up their and then you beam up some energy and you have a protective layer.
Succinct as always.

So what does this shell protect against?
Excellent question. The answer is not one that many will readily believe. But this is no matter, not many will believe you are talking to the monad of a multidimensional civilization anyway. Irrespective, here is the answer. Your planet is about to experience some rather tumultuous events. You may have read that the sun is beginning to act a little strangely. It is a little over-active in the solar flare department right now. This activity will begin to increase rather radically over the next few years to the point called “solar maximum” in the year 2012. You may know that sufficient solar-flare activity will result in the failure of electronic and electrical equipment on your planet. The first things to go are your satellites and then, with increased solar flare activity, things like terrestrial radio communication devices are inactivated. Then power generation and transmission equipment also goes as well as land-line communication devices. You will at the point of this coming solar maximum be experiencing the greatest solar flare activity that your planet has experienced in a long time indeed. Or long by human standards, anyway. So how do you think this makes your military types feel? They are like small boys with big toys. They realize their toys’ batteries are about to go flat and they prepare to throw a tantrum. How impotent will the military be in the above outlined circumstance? No electricity, no transmission of power, no communication, many electronic circuits fried. What will they do if they cannot tell an aircraft to take off or give it guidance where to strike? How will they launch those awful weapons of despite you call nuclear missiles? Where will their power be then? Gone, is the answer. So they seek to protect themselves against this eventuality. They spray this layer and prepare to ionize it into being a shield which will protect against the incoming solar ejections.

Okay. But then what they are doing is not BAD per se. I mean they only wish to protect their nations from this damage. Why don’t they just come clean and tell us why they are doing this?
There are complications. I told you this was a complex story to tell. How to begin... you have conspiracy theories about certain extra-terrestrial beings engaging with the US government?

Yes. From the Roswell incident on.
It is a gross simplification of events but I will confirm that there is an agreement in place between a certain cabal on planet earth and a certain faction of what you will call extra-terrestrials. I must say this is not a good term: “extra-terrestrials”, but I don’t wish to confuse matters. We will stick to it for now. To return to the matter at hand: Information and technology has been transferred to the power mongers of your planet from this ET faction. This is how they have derived the knowledge about what comes next. To admit in public what is about to occur is to reveal your sources as your normal solar scientists do not know about it yet.

Ah. So these ETs - I take it they are not friends of yours?
They have quite a different orientation and their objectives run in a somewhat opposing direction to ours. They seek to gain control and to manipulate. They wish for planet earth to be a resource for their own uses. We do not. We wish for planet earth to find liberation. We wish earth-humans to join our confederation as self-possessed brothers of equal standing. Quite a different agenda.

So if these ETs are baddies why are they sharing this crucial info with us? Why do they care?
This is a sensitive subject. I mentioned before that we have craft in the vicinity of your planet. We would very much like to make contact with your planet in a substantial way. We would not like to do as this other faction have done and give the power of the relationship with us to a government faction. You can already see how problematic that was. No, we would like to land near every town and city. We would like to connect with the people of earth directly… with each one of you that wishes to meet and speak to us. There is more. Your planet will be undergoing some drastic changes soon and many of you will need assistance... rescuing. But that is another topic. I wish simply to point out that we wish to make our presence felt to you in your density. You shall see us with your eyes and be able to touch us with your hands. Then EACH of you can decide for yourselves if we are to be trusted as brothers or to be rejected. You decide, not your government or some hidden group that pulls the levers of power. You.

Wow! That’s great, why don’t you do that then. Just land!
Remember we said there was an alliance between this earth power cabal and the other ET faction?

Yes?
So how do you feel this cabal will respond to the notion of our landing? Do you imagine they would like to lose their grip on power? Would they like to have ALL earth humans knowing the truth of what they had done? Will they take kindly to the fact that their best weapons and the best weapons of their ET friends are no longer the biggest guns in town?

No, I guess not.
Indeed not! They will defend their position with all vehemence. We fully expect them to throw every weapon at their disposal against our craft!

And of course you don’t want your ships damaged…
My poor, dear boy. There is no weapon on planet earth that can do the slightest bit of damage to our craft.

So what’s the problem then?